Originally posted by Mordac
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Originally posted by original PM View PostOk well i'll drop you in a field and say walk 20 miles that way to freedom
or i'll drop you on a beach and say swim 20 miles that way to freedom
there is a good chance you will do one and not the other.
However that was not the point I was making - the point is the EU allows freedom of movement of people because it is absolutely impossible to stop it in mainland Europe so they wrote it into the laws (whatever) where as it's is clearly not as easy to get to the UK from France as it is to get to Germany from France.
But y'know....Comment
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Originally posted by meridian View PostBut what is your point? Nobody has said that FoM or borders for people (in particular the subject of the thread, the UK border in Ireland) is a problem.
In addition it is clear they do not want it because they said if we want access to the customs union and trade deals we must also allow free movement - which confused me as initially that would seem like the EU are offering us more - oh you can not just have access to the customs union and trade deals but also that great benefit of freedom of movement.
Except it's not a benefit is it? or they would not be trying to force it on us.
But I guess that's just my reasoningComment
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Looks like the Leavers have given up on their fairy tales about open borders for goods on the island of Ireland.Comment
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Originally posted by original PM View PostOn that particular point I was making was that the EU allows freedom of movement not because it wants it but because it cannot stop it.
British and Irish have Freedom of Movement but have a sea border between us and the continent.
Other EU countries that are not currently part of Schengen have border posts. For example, I travelled by car from Croatia to Slovenia last year and was required to pass through a border checkpoint.
In addition it is clear they do not want it because they said if we want access to the customs union and trade deals we must also allow free movement - which confused me as initially that would seem like the EU are offering us more - oh you can not just have access to the customs union and trade deals but also that great benefit of freedom of movement.
Except it's not a benefit is it? or they would not be trying to force it on us.
But I guess that's just my reasoningComment
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Originally posted by original PM View PostOk well i'll drop you in a field and say walk 20 miles that way to freedom
or i'll drop you on a beach and say swim 20 miles that way to freedom
there is a good chance you will do one and not the other.
However that was not the point I was making - the point is the EU allows freedom of movement of people because it is absolutely impossible to stop it in mainland Europe so they wrote it into the laws (whatever) where as it's is clearly not as easy to get to the UK from France as it is to get to Germany from France.
But y'know....
Now why does Luxembourg not have a problem even though I never saw one border guard when I was there ?
The answer is of course obviousI'm alright JackComment
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Originally posted by BlasterBates View PostI worked in Luxembourg for a while, no borders a population of a few hundred thousand, and there were hardly any illegal immigrants, the trains, buses not full, hospitals offering instant service, and no jobs stolen in spite of the fact that there were 500 million EU scroungers on their doorstep.
Now why does Luxembourg not have a problem even though I never saw one border guard when I was there ?
The answer is of course obviousComment
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Originally posted by Whorty View PostWe'll pay them a decent sized divorce bill ... they'll be fineHis heart is in the right place - shame we can't say the same about his brain...Comment
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Originally posted by meridian View Post
That's because you do not see the benefits of Freedom of Movement. I enjoy it - I can work anywhere in Europe, live there, retire there, all as a right and not a privilege that I need to apply for. I see it as a benefit.
So here is the best option for you - go live in the EU - you will still have 27 countries to work in and forget about us here in the tulipty UK.
Please.Comment
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