Deep State Plot to thwart Brexit

[Whorty]

You know May would not be that bad - the main problem is she is PM during a very difficult time.

It's not really the government that is not that strong and stable - it is a load of MP's acting like children cos they didn't get their own way which is the main problem.

Think about it - if the UK government had presented a united front to the EU they would be tulipting themselves

But given the shambolic idiots we have in Westminster they are just enjoying the comedy

The problem is not that we voted out - the problem is there are people in influnetial positions who want to stay in and are doing everything they can to derail any form of coherent leave plan.

The problem is, again, that you are blaming remain MPs for parliament not voting for May's deal. There are as many leave leaning MPs rejecting May's deal as there are remain MPs.

Actually, you've never said yourself if you support May's deal. Do you?

[shaunbhoy]

Actually, you've never said yourself if you support May's deal. Do you?

Does anyone?

[Whorty]

Does anyone?

I can understand why people don't, but then why call MPs who don't support the deal childish losers, even though there are 'winners' not willing to support May either?

You and others may support a 'no deal' but that is not the majority view in the country or parliament. You're gonna have to get over that and suck it up. If 'no deal' was the 'will of the people' they would have voted in UKIP in 2017, but the UKIP vote bombed, along with no deal as a preferred option (although we may still crash out anyway as May and her cronies would rather force that on the country rather than negotiate).

I' 'meh' for any deal apart from crash out no deal. They'll all be worse than what we have today so I can't give two hoots about any of them

As was noted earlier though, there are as many flavours of brexit in parliament as there are leave MPs. Question is, which one will they finally get behind. Your MPs need to stand up and be counted, rather than being cowards.

[shaunbhoy]

I can understand why people don't, but then why call MPs who don't support the deal childish losers,

I didn't.

Your MPs need to stand up and be counted, rather than being cowards.

MY MPs?

[Whorty]

I didn't.



MY MPs?

You didn't, but OPM did and you liked his post which implied you supported what he said.

"your MPs" as in leave supporting MPs.

[meridian]

Does anyone?

I do.

I'd prefer to Remain, of course, but if we're going to leave then this is the only agreement that works. Freedom of Movement for Brits will be stopped, the settlement of obligations is done, and the UK will have 2 years in a transition to implement the much-promised technological solution for the border and to negotiate the future trade relationship with the EU as well as the 750+ other agreements world wide.


What's not to like, if you're a Brexiter?

[shaunbhoy]

if we're going to leave then this is the only agreement that works. Freedom of Movement for Brits will be stopped, the settlement of obligations is done, and the UK will have 2 years in a transition to implement the much-promised technological solution for the border and to negotiate the future trade relationship with the EU as well as the 750+ other agreements world wide.


What's not to like, if you're a Brexiter?

Er the salient fact that we will have no unilateral right to exit this potentially indefinite limbo unless those nice people in the EU decide that we can?

Now that might not bother you as a self-confessed Remainer, but it is a red line for the majority of people.

[Zigenare]

I do.

I'd prefer to Remain, of course, but if we're going to leave then this is the only agreement that works. Freedom of Movement for Brits will be stopped, the settlement of obligations is done, and the UK will have 2 years in a transition to implement the much-promised technological solution for the border and to negotiate the future trade relationship with the EU as well as the 750+ other agreements world wide.


What's not to like, if you're a Brexiter?

Bollox, if the EU want a border between Ireland and Northern Ireland, they can get the Irish to put it up and Police it themselves.

[Old Greg]

Bollox, if the EU want a border between Ireland and Northern Ireland, they can get the Irish to put it up and Police it themselves.

What happened to taking back control of the borders?

[meridian]

Er the salient fact that we will have no unilateral right to exit this potentially indefinite limbo unless those nice people in the EU decide that we can?

Now that might not bother you as a self-confessed Remainer, but it is a red line for the majority of people.

I’ve already written why this is not a problem - we’ve had two years of Brexiters claiming that there are solutions. Time to put up or shut up.

Do you actually want to Brexit, or do you just want to complain for the rest of your life about how you nearly had it but it just wasn’t perfect enough?