Deep State Plot to thwart Brexit

[Yorkie62]

If we get into March, and there is still an impasse, I fear that the country could rapidly descend into chaos.

At the moment, there are only a tiny percentage of people stockpiling, but I would expect that to escalate the closer we get to the cliff edge.

The Govt may be left with no choice but to request an extension to A50.

FTFY

[Old Greg]

Yes
theconversation.com\brexit-how-article-50-could-be-extended-to-delay-uks-departure-from-the-eu-109966.

"If the extension is to allow time for a new Brexit deal, the EU will want assurances that the new deal has the support of the UK parliament. It could only do so once there is a majority in the house of commons..."
So to get a majority in the house of commons the backstop is likely to have to be dropped. This will be unpalatable to the EU namely the Irish who can the veto the extension. I don't see how an extension will be granted by the EU.

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Thatvis an opinion piece by a Professor of EU law on a question of politics. He does quote:

Guy Verhofstadt

What we will not let happen, deal or no deal, is that the mess in British politics is again imported into European politics. While we understand the UK could need more time, for us it is unthinkable that article 50 is prolonged beyond the European Elections. #Brexit #EPlenary

Which doesn't say what you are saying at all.

[Yorkie62]

Thatvis an opinion piece by a Professor of EU law on a question of politics. He does quote:



Which doesn't say what you are saying at all.

It does actually because I quoted, see use of quotation marks, from the article directly.

But unlike you I will not resort to abuse to outline your failings.

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[Old Greg]

It does actually because I quoted, see use of quotation marks, from the article directly.

But unlike you I will not resort to abuse to outline your failings.

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As I explained above, that is an opinion piece, so not evidence.

[Yorkie62]

As I explained above, that is an opinion piece, so not evidence.

So am I correct in thinking that you dispute the fact that the EU will only extend A50 if the UK has a deal that
A. Has a majority support for the deal in the UK parliament, and
B. All 27 countries of the EU are happy to support the deal, I.e. it contains the backstop agreement.

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[Old Greg]

So am I correct in thinking that you dispute the fact that the EU will only extend A50 if the UK has a deal that
A. Has a majority support for the deal in the UK parliament, and
B. All 27 countries of the EU are happy to support the deal, I.e. it contains the backstop agreement.

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Yes. I suggest you look up 'fact' in a reputable dictionary, and report back.

[Yorkie62]

Yes. I suggest you look up 'fact' in a reputable dictionary, and report back.

A. Fact a thing that is known

B. Fact a thing that is proved to be true.

Pays your money and takes your choice.

Ps I was using the A. definition because of what various people in senior positions within the EU, and individual leaders of the 27 countries have been stating. It is also stated I the article that was originally referenced, supporting the definition that it is a thing that is known to be true.
If you want to take issue with what was in the article then take it up with the author and not me.

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[Old Greg]

A. Fact a thing that is known

B. Fact a thing that is proved to be true.

Pays your money and takes your choice.

Ps I was using the A. definition because of what various people in senior positions within the EU, and individual leaders of the 27 countries have been stating. It is also stated I the article that was originally referenced, supporting the definition that it is a thing that is known to be true.
If you want to take issue with what was in the article then take it up with the author and not me.

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The only quotation of someone in a senior position in the EU that your article contains does not say what you are saying. It references the duration of a potential extension, not the circumstances that might lead to it.


Guy Verhofstadt

What we will not let happen, deal or no deal, is that the mess in British politics is again imported into European politics. While we understand the UK could need more time, for us it is unthinkable that article 50 is prolonged beyond the European Elections. #Brexit #EPlenary

[original PM]

At least the UK has strong and stable government.

You know May would not be that bad - the main problem is she is PM during a very difficult time.

It's not really the government that is not that strong and stable - it is a load of MP's acting like children cos they didn't get their own way which is the main problem.

Think about it - if the UK government had presented a united front to the EU they would be tulipting themselves

But given the shambolic idiots we have in Westminster they are just enjoying the comedy

The problem is not that we voted out - the problem is there are people in influnetial positions who want to stay in and are doing everything they can to derail any form of coherent leave plan.

[Yorkie62]

You know May would not be that bad - the main problem is she is PM during a very difficult time.

It's not really the government that is not that strong and stable - it is a load of MP's acting like children cos they didn't get their own way which is the main problem.

Think about it - if the UK government had presented a united front to the EU they would be tulipting themselves

But given the shambolic idiots we have in Westminster they are just enjoying the comedy

The problem is not that we voted out - the problem is there are people in influnetial positions who want to stay in and are doing everything they can to derail any form of coherent leave plan.

You have to admit its not only the EU enjoying the pantomime. Its the best entertainment not on tv and we haven't even got to the House of Lords yet!. Its just a shame that this is what is defining UK democracy and politics to the rest of the world

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