Deep State Plot to thwart Brexit

[Whorty]

The point being called out is no different from what we have been saying for a while - some politicians in Westminster are really struggling with not getting their own way - and the more they try and get it the more they become exposed.

That would be May you're talking about then ....

First her cabinet reject her deal.

Then at the point of parliament voting she pulls the deal as she knows it will fail and pretends to get amendments, even though she has changed nothing.

The 'new' deal is put to parliament and is voted down by all sides, both leave and remain. She says she will work cross party to come up with a plan B.

But, she is struggling not getting her own way, so Plan B is really Plan A still. She's not working cross party as she promised, she's still following the same path.

She and what's left of her cabinet are following their own project fear .... agree to our deal or there will be no brexit (to scare the leavers), or there will be a no deal brexit (to scare the remainers). Wouldn't surprise me if behind closed doors she's threatening those in marginal seats that she will resign if they don't back her, thus triggering a GE and them losing their seats.

Talk about desperate. If the deal is so good, why the need for project fear, threats and blackmail?

As you were .

[Whorty]

And how are they going to get the remaining 27 countries in the EU to agree an extension.

The only things Parliament is capable of in this whole pantomime is

1. Agreeing and voting for May's original deal (The EU have already accepted and agreed this)

2. Rescind Article 50

3. leave with no deal

Everything else requires agreement with the EU.

And why would the EU not agree to extending A50 if they think that parliament will come up with a better leave strategy?

Contrary to the lies peddled by the leave side, the deal is not great for the EU either but it was the best that could be achieved due to May's red lines. If they thought that a cross party majority would vote for a deal that kept us in (or closely aligned to) the CU and/or SM then they would gladly extend.

Plus, an extension may even trigger a second ref and reverse brexit, so even better for the EU.

Now, tell us again why the EU27 wouldn't grant us an extension once parliament wrests control away from this pathetic Tory government?

[original PM]

And why would the EU not agree to extending A50 if they think that parliament will come up with a better leave strategy?

Contrary to the lies peddled by the leave side, the deal is not great for the EU either but it was the best that could be achieved due to May's red lines. If they thought that a cross party majority would vote for a deal that kept us in (or closely aligned to) the CU and/or SM then they would gladly extend.

Plus, an extension may even trigger a second ref and reverse brexit, so even better for the EU.

Now, tell us again why the EU27 wouldn't grant us an extension once parliament wrests control away from this pathetic Tory government?

Now tell me again why having Corbyn in charge of the UK won't be an absolute cluster ****?

I suppose the remain team missed a trick - they should have just said that if we vote leave Corbyn will become PM and remain would have won with the majority

[Yorkie62]

And why would the EU not agree to extending A50 if they think that parliament will come up with a better leave strategy?

Contrary to the lies peddled by the leave side, the deal is not great for the EU either but it was the best that could be achieved due to May's red lines. If they thought that a cross party majority would vote for a deal that kept us in (or closely aligned to) the CU and/or SM then they would gladly extend.

Plus, an extension may even trigger a second ref and reverse brexit, so even better for the EU.

Now, tell us again why the EU27 wouldn't grant us an extension once parliament wrests control away from this pathetic Tory government?

Because the EU has already said it will not extend article 50 for the benefit of further negotiations. It will only extend A50 if there is an agreed deal and the extra time is required to implement that agreed deal.

[Whorty]

Because the EU has already said it will not extend article 50 for the benefit of further negotiations. It will only extend A50 if there is an agreed deal and the extra time is required to implement that agreed deal.

That is not true. What they said was, they won't extend A50 if nothing has changed and it is merely to negotiate the same deal. So, they won't extend if this government is still in control of brexit. If however parliament takes control, and the EU27 are convinced that they will push for a different deal that they can agree to, then they will extend.

You see, you guys just can't help yourself can you? Push misinformation at every opportunity.

[Whorty]

Now tell me again why having Corbyn in charge of the UK won't be an absolute cluster ****?

I suppose the remain team missed a trick - they should have just said that if we vote leave Corbyn will become PM and remain would have won with the majority

As much as I dislike Corbyn, it's hard to believe anything can be worse than this Tory tulip of a government.

[Old Greg]

Because the EU has already said it will not extend article 50 for the benefit of further negotiations. It will only extend A50 if there is an agreed deal and the extra time is required to implement that agreed deal.

Can you evidence that?

[Old Greg]

As much as I dislike Corbyn, it's hard to believe anything can be worse than this Tory tulip of a government.

At least the UK has strong and stable government.

[stonehenge]

If we get into March, and there is still an impasse, I fear that the country could rapidly descend into chaos.

At the moment, there are only a tiny percentage of people stockpiling, but I would expect that to escalate the closer we get to the cliff edge.

The Govt may be left with no choice but to extend A50.

[Yorkie62]

Can you evidence that?

Yes
theconversation.com\brexit-how-article-50-could-be-extended-to-delay-uks-departure-from-the-eu-109966.

"If the extension is to allow time for a new Brexit deal, the EU will want assurances that the new deal has the support of the UK parliament. It could only do so once there is a majority in the house of commons..."
So to get a majority in the house of commons the backstop is likely to have to be dropped. This will be unpalatable to the EU namely the Irish who can the veto the extension. I don't see how an extension will be granted by the EU.

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