EUSSR fifth columnists spreading false rumours about medication shortages

[WTFH]

The analogy was actually about the lack of imagination that people have because they have been stuck in the same place for so long, following the same rules and doing the same thing that they have forgotten how to change or that change is even possible.

You mean like having 3 years of people saying that we're going to leave, and when asked for details, they just keep saying "leave", but they can't change their message to a coherent explanation of what they mean?

[original PM]

You mean like having 3 years of people saying that we're going to leave, and when asked for details, they just keep saying "leave", but they can't change their message to a coherent explanation of what they mean?

Well as they say change is difficult.

Change changes the future.

The future cannot be known.

So all change is taking a step into the unknown.

But there are books you can read

[Whorty]

The analogy was actually about the lack of imagination .....

Yes, you clearly show a lack of imagination. You also show a lack of understanding, but there's no surprise there

[WTFH]

Well as they say change is difficult.

Change changes the future.

The future cannot be known.

So all change is taking a step into the unknown.

But there are books you can read

Change can be a step into the unknown, which is why people tend to make plans and get understanding about the change they are going to make, particularly if it's likely to have an impact on their lives. If you change your car, you'd be an idiot not to research the car you were going to buy, maybe even go for a test drive, work out the cost, see if you can afford it, consider the options, the colour, etc.
You don't say "I want to change my car" and when asked what the new car is going to be, just keep repeating "I want to change my car"
You could start the process by selling the old one, but if you just sell the old one without replacing it, then you've not changed your car, you've just got rid of the old one and now you have no car.

[WTFH]

But there are books you can read

Ah yes, John Kotter. Have you read any of his work?
To summarise, here's his 8 steps to change:

Create a sense of urgency
Build a guiding coalition
Form a strategic vision and initiatives
Enlist a volunteer army
Enable action by removing barriers
Generate short-term wins
Sustain acceleration
Institute change

And those who want the UK to leave have not:
Built a guiding coalition
Formed a strategic vision and initiatives
Enlisted volunteers
Removed barriers
Generated short-term wins
Sustained acceleration
or
Instituted change

About the only one from his list that they could possibly have done was to create a sense of urgency by claiming that 70 million Turks were about to come to the UK, or possibly by triggering article 50.
Other than that, the big change fails Kotter's teaching.

[original PM]

Ah yes, John Kotter. Have you read any of his work?
To summarise, here's his 8 steps to change:

Create a sense of urgency
Build a guiding coalition
Form a strategic vision and initiatives
Enlist a volunteer army
Enable action by removing barriers
Generate short-term wins
Sustain acceleration
Institute change

And those who want the UK to leave have not:
Built a guiding coalition
Formed a strategic vision and initiatives
Enlisted volunteers
Removed barriers
Generated short-term wins
Sustained acceleration
or
Instituted change

About the only one from his list that they could possibly have done was to create a sense of urgency by claiming that 70 million Turks were about to come to the UK, or possibly by triggering article 50.
Other than that, the big change fails Kotter's teaching.

Hmm

Built a guiding coalition - That is the job of UK parliament - not the fault of the voters that the children are upset because they did not get their own way.
Formed a strategic vision and initiatives - plenty of options - this does take time but we do have plenty of options
Enlisted volunteers - 52% of the UK want out - so there you go 17 million volunteers
Removed barriers - really n***** I am pretty sure the barriers are not coming from those who wish to leave.
Generated short-term wins - such as? the point of leaving was never about short term wins.
Sustained acceleration - once the children stop trying to stop us we could accelerate
or
Instituted change - we had a vote to institute change - people voted to change - not sure what else you expect to happen.

We just need to either agree a deal or leave with no deal

Then we can start to do things the biggest problem right now is the infighting in UK parliament which is not being done for the good of the majority.

[WTFH]

Hmm

Built a guiding coalition - That is the job of UK parliament - not the fault of the voters that the children are upset because they did not get their own way.

I'm not blaming those who were duped, I'm saying that those who should be leading us by delivering what they campaigned for - those are the people to be blamed

Formed a strategic vision and initiatives - plenty of options - this does take time but we do have plenty of options

Plenty of options? Please, tell!

Enlisted volunteers - 52% of the UK want out - so there you go 17 million volunteers

Yet higher up you said that it's not the voters job to do it. Make up your mind!

Removed barriers - really n***** I am pretty sure the barriers are not coming from those who wish to leave.

So, you say that the UK must do what 17 million voted for, everyone else can go to hell in a handcart, and you don't think that is a barrier to getting it done?
And that describing people as traitors and saboteurs is not putting up barriers?

Generated short-term wins - such as? the point of leaving was never about short term wins.

Ah, so you agree that the Leave group have failed Kotter's ideas on this one.

Sustained acceleration - once the children stop trying to stop us we could accelerate

Ah yes, the go-to of Leave - blame others. Blame "children" for the reason why there is no acceleration, never mind sustained acceleration.

Instituted change - we had a vote to institute change - people voted to change - not sure what else you expect to happen.

There was a vote to institute change, but the change has not be instituted.
We can vote for whatever we want, but if what was voted for was not delivered, then the vote failed.

You suggested Kotter as an example of how to change, and it's obvious that Leave aren't the least bit interested in what he suggests as the successful way to carry out change.

[original PM]

The Cheshire West and Chester constituency I am in voted in the majority to leave

And our MP Mike Amesbury - voted against leaving and voted against May's plan the other day.

How can he in any way shape or from try and make it he is doing the best for the majority of his constituents - when he is clearly voting against the majority of them?

[Old Greg]

The Cheshire West and Chester constituency I am in voted in the majority to leave

And our MP Mike Amesbury - voted against leaving and voted against May's plan the other day.

How can he in any way shape or from try and make it he is doing the best for the majority of his constituents - when he is clearly voting against the majority of them?

Do you understand the principles underpinning the Westminster model of representative democracy, as opposed to a delegate based model?

[Yorkie62]

Do you understand the principles underpinning the Westminster model of representative democracy, as opposed to a delegate based model?

If you are not voting for a MP to represent your views as a member of parliament then what is the point of voting. We might as well live in a dictatorship.

NOTE the views of the voter may be aligned with the view of the political party to which a candidate is a member.

Brexit should be a free vote and MPs should vote along the lines of their constituents in this respect rather then their own views or the views of their party leaders.