Corbyn

[malvolio]

Why do you think it is true that Corbyn is an avowed Marxist. This is what I can find on the topic.

So you're taking the word of a politician on a populist chat show as gospel. Interesting approach.

But how much Marx have you read? Not as much as Mr C, I suspect. How about holidays to East Germany during the cold war, and support for Chavez's concept of how to ru(i)n a country, spending more money than Saudi Arabia's oil income to do it? Or hosting the IRA in the House two weeks after the Brighton bombing?

But Corbyn is the mouthpiece and should be ignored: not even a fair chunk of his own party think he's a PM-in-waiting. You need to look at McDonnell and McClusky as two of his key supporters (for which read puppet masters) and their political backgrounds.

[Old Greg]

And this is why calling a vote of no confidence on May is absolutely pointless.

It is to be expected really, given the drubbing she got and the Finance Bill. What it does do, perversely, is establish confidence as a basis for the next round of insanity.

[Old Greg]

So you're taking the word of a politician on a populist chat show as gospel. Interesting approach.

If we are talking about him being an avowed Marxist, then that suggests taking his word for it. He may be a secret Marxist of course, but where is the evidence that he is an avowed Marxist?

[malvolio]

If we are talking about him being an avowed Marxist, then that suggests taking his word for it. He may be a secret Marxist of course, but where is the evidence that he is an avowed Marxist?

Read his manifesto.

[original PM]

I'm not sure that's their motivation. I actually think that most of our politicians are genuinely honourable people, and the vast majority of them could feather their nests much better outside politics.
Not all of them, George Galloway springs to mind as a not very honourable person, as well as that prick who won the seat from Nick Clegg.

Most of our ex-politicians go to the Lords as that's our very own gravy train. And quite a few just go into the private sector. Either way Brexit is not a solution to your envy.

I would have agreed with you about 25 years ago

However today's 'career politicians' have a completely different mindset - and it is really clear from the word 'career' - being a politician is their job - now how many people do you know who you have worked with who did not try and manipulate situations for their own personal gain?

That is expected in business (although not necessarily is it actually a benefit to the individual businesses but that is a different story) but then think about what that is doing to British politics.

Also how can a politician work for more than 1 party - do you really expect us to believe they have suddenly had a huge change of heart - or is it actually more realistic to believe they got a better offer and so their loyalty can clearly be bought.

[Lance]

I would have agreed with you about 25 years ago

However today's 'career politicians' have a completely different mindset - and it is really clear from the word 'career' - being a politician is their job - now how many people do you know who you have worked with who did not try and manipulate situations for their own personal gain?

That is expected in business (although not necessarily is it actually a benefit to the individual businesses but that is a different story) but then think about what that is doing to British politics.

Also how can a politician work for more than 1 party - do you really expect us to believe they have suddenly had a huge change of heart - or is it actually more realistic to believe they got a better offer and so their loyalty can clearly be bought.

eh??????

How many of the 650 weren't there 25 years ago? I reckon less than half.
Jeremy Corbyn is a career politician, as is Dennis Skinner, as was Tony Blair, as are almost all of them. I'm struggling to think of one who isn't.

You make no sense. You can't just lump all politicians into one box you have in your mind. That's stereotyping, and very prone to being wrong.

[Old Greg]

Read his manifesto.

Where does he avow himself a Marxist? I've showed you where he doesn't.

[Yorkie62]

I would have agreed with you about 25 years ago

Also how can a politician work for more than 1 party - do you really expect us to believe they have suddenly had a huge change of heart - or is it actually more realistic to believe they got a better offer and so their loyalty can clearly be bought.

This does and has happened in the past. Admittedly you would not expect JRM to resign the Tory whip and suddenly become Jerermy's wing man, but those more aligned to the centre have jumped ship to the Liberals and Liberals have jumped left and right.

In the same way that the MP for Clacton jumped from Tory to UKIP and then back again. The MPs views don't change but the political party to which the are aligned may take a more extreme view which makes to politician consider a more centre (ish) ground party.

[darmstadt]

Read his manifesto.

Link?

[malvolio]

Where does he avow himself a Marxist? I've showed you where he doesn't.

"Vote for me!! I want to undo 100 years of Parliamentary democracy, put the unions in control to return power to the people and establish a true socialist revolution".

As campaign slogans go, it's not really very attractive is it... So perhaps he's playing down his core principles.