Corbyn

[BlasterBates]

If Cameron had won his referendum, Labour would be languishing in the polls at 20%, taxes would slowly be reduced and certainly not raised.

It was always clear even many years ago that leaving the EU "properly" ie. turning the UK into a low tax "Singapore" with sweat shops and a skeleton NHS, with patients being left in the court yard would result in a leftwing backlash.

I reckon Corbyn is hoping for a no deal Brexit, as he will be able to sweep to victory jack up the top rate of tax to 90% as a temporary measure and declare a state of national emergency nationalising most industries.

Brexit is in short a left wing dream.

[Lance]

And this is why calling a vote of no confidence on May is absolutely pointless.

May is not the problem - the problem is the 'deal' and also those children down in Westminster who are so scared of losing their seat on the gravy train they would vote Hitler in if they thought it would benefit them.

There are around 110 marginal seats. That leaves 540 safe seats.
That's enough to swing a general election but ruins your assertion.


The vote of confidence in May was won quite convincingly, or did you forget about that?

[malvolio]

Perhaps you should be reading Das Kapital, which is very clear that the way to get a truly socialist government is through a layered revolution, including removing the current method of Government and fomenting insurrection among the people.

Given Corbyn and his masters are avowed Marxists, you can see exactly where they are coming from...

[original PM]

There are around 110 marginal seats. That leaves 540 safe seats.
That's enough to swing a general election but ruins your assertion.


The vote of confidence in May was won quite convincingly, or did you forget about that?

You have missed the point I was trying to make.

As a politician you have to an extent quite a limited career - unless you have the option to go work in the European Parliament - if we leave the Eu that option goes away.

So all those politician desperately trying to derail brexit are not doing it because it would be better or worse foe the UK - they are doing it purely to protect their pensions.

[BlasterBates]

You have missed the point I was trying to make.

As a politician you have to an extent quite a limited career - unless you have the option to go work in the European Parliament - if we leave the Eu that option goes away.

So all those politician desperately trying to derail brexit are not doing it because it would be better or worse foe the UK - they are doing it purely to protect their pensions.

So explain why UK MPs don't stand for the European parliament after they've spent time in the UK parliament.

In any case it is wrong to suggest MEPs are more influential. EU parliament scrutinises EU policy it's the council of ministers that sets EU policy.

There are only two commissioners appointed by the British government, usually ex senior ministers. So you have to make your career in the UK parliament.

[Whorty]

And this is why calling a vote of no confidence on May is absolutely pointless.

May is not the problem - the problem is the 'deal' and also those children down in Westminster who are so scared of losing their seat on the gravy train they would vote Hitler in if they thought it would benefit them.

No, the problem is brexit and the unicorn dreams and lies sold by the leave team that the gullible swallowed.

May's biggest fault was trying to appease the ERG whilst also trying to get a deal that the majority of parliament could accept. Never going to happen. Had she dumped ERG for the fantasists that they are from the off, and worked cross party, we could have a deal today that would meet the result of the referendum and be palatable to the 48% (most likely over 50% by now) of the UK population that didn't want to leave.

Hope my popcorn lasts, there is still a long way to go yet in this debacle

[Whorty]

You have missed the point I was trying to make.

As a politician you have to an extent quite a limited career - unless you have the option to go work in the European Parliament - if we leave the Eu that option goes away.

So all those politician desperately trying to derail brexit are not doing it because it would be better or worse foe the UK - they are doing it purely to protect their pensions.

Given you have stated the fact that UK politicians go to work in the EU parliament once they finish in the UK parliament, excluding Kinnock, name all the others who have gone that way. You clearly think this is true, so come on, add some facts to your statement.

Whether brexit ends or not, has absolutely no baring on their pensions, unless as you claim they end up working in the EU parliament. Their UK pension is paid by us UK taxpayers (Ok there is an employee contribution but it no way covers their UK MP defined benefit pension). So how exactly would cancelling brexit protect their pensions?

Edit: and before you think to mention Clegg, he went the other way, from an EU MEP to a UK MP.

[Lance]

You have missed the point I was trying to make.

As a politician you have to an extent quite a limited career - unless you have the option to go work in the European Parliament - if we leave the Eu that option goes away.

So all those politician desperately trying to derail brexit are not doing it because it would be better or worse foe the UK - they are doing it purely to protect their pensions.

I'm not sure that's their motivation. I actually think that most of our politicians are genuinely honourable people, and the vast majority of them could feather their nests much better outside politics.
Not all of them, George Galloway springs to mind as a not very honourable person, as well as that prick who won the seat from Nick Clegg.

Most of our ex-politicians go to the Lords as that's our very own gravy train. And quite a few just go into the private sector. Either way Brexit is not a solution to your envy.

[Old Greg]

Perhaps you should be reading Das Kapital, which is very clear that the way to get a truly socialist government is through a layered revolution, including removing the current method of Government and fomenting insurrection among the people.

Given Corbyn and his masters are avowed Marxists, you can see exactly where they are coming from...

Why do you think it is true that Corbyn is an avowed Marxist. This is what I can find on the topic.

ANDREW MARR:
Do you regard yourself as a Marxist?
JEREMY CORBYN:
(sighs) That’s a very interesting question actually.
ANDREW MARR:
Thank you.
JEREMY CORBYN:
I haven’t thought about that for a long time. I haven’t really read as much of Marx as I
should have done. I’ve read quite a bit, but not that much, and I think Marx’s
transition of history and the analysis of how you go from feudalism to capitalism and
move onto a different stage is fascinating. So we all owe something to him. Probably
inside you, even you do. You think you do?
ANDREW MARR:
(over) Well I remember Francis Wheen said we should regard Marx as a great
Victorian novelist, a great observer of the scene, and I think I would probably go
along with that.
JEREMY CORBYN:
Well he was an observer rather than a doer, although towards the end of his life his
family got quite involved in doing things. But he was essentially a fascinating figure
who observed a great deal and from whom we can learn a great deal.
ANDREW MARR:
The politics of revolutionary parties, however, were catastrophic weren’t they?
JEREMY CORBYN:
Well I’m not talking about the Labour Party being a revolutionary party.

[BlasterBates]

No, the problem is brexit and the unicorn dreams and lies sold by the leave team that the gullible swallowed.

May's biggest fault was trying to appease the ERG whilst also trying to get a deal that the majority of parliament could accept. Never going to happen. Had she dumped ERG for the fantasists that they are from the off, and worked cross party, we could have a deal today that would meet the result of the referendum and be palatable to the 48% (most likely over 50% by now) of the UK population that didn't want to leave.

Hope my popcorn lasts, there is still a long way to go yet in this debacle

PMs before always stood up to the Eurosceptics, she thought she could "appease" them. Huge mistake, you can't, they have no logic, you shouldn't reason with them, they should be treated like sh*t. Kinnock threw out the left wing in what was a truly brilliant speech. Some Tory leader has got to do the same to these twerps.

If you want a lesson on how deal with these type of politicians watch Pelosi. She's humiliating Trump and she won't stop until he's finished. She is exemplary.

I remember when the rail unions were being difficult in Germany 10 years ago, a psychologist said that the company management was making the mistake of trying have a rational negotiation. She said that's not how you deal with those type of negotiators. That was a real piece of wisdom.