Turning the corner on Brexit is possible says May...

[original PM]

Even after the hardest of brexiteers has given up trying to sell anything other than a vague principle of future betteryhappinessmaybe, you still roll out the same sh1te that was a lie 3 years ago.

The kool aid was nice wasn't it?

There is no lie - whilst we stay in the EU the destiny of the UK is inextricably linked to the EU - and many just feel that the EU is no longer what it was and it no longer stands for what it did.

It's become too big to challenge, too monolithic to question - whether by design or accident, who knows, but it is not, in my opinion, the future of Europe and nor, I fear does it have the best intentions of ALL of Europe at it's heart.

[Lance]

There is no lie - whilst we stay in the EU the destiny of the UK is inextricably linked to the EU - and many just feel that the EU is no longer what it was and it no longer stands for what it did.

It's become too big to challenge, too monolithic to question - whether by design or accident, who knows, but it is not, in my opinion, the future of Europe and nor, I fear does it have the best intentions of ALL of Europe at it's heart.

Back on track with the vaguaries, feelings and opinions I see. The millenials aren't the only ones.
It is at least far more consistent with the hard brexiteers.
Also impossible to measure or prove, so perfect as the experts cannot evidence what a crock of sh1te it is.



Just a thought...... however we leave, how can we not be inextricably linked? Esepcdially as we have a land border.
We certainy can't question it from the outside.


I know I'm wasting my time with this though.

[Whorty]

Back on track with the vaguaries, feelings and opinions I see. The millenials aren't the only ones.
It is at least far more consistent with the hard brexiteers.
Also impossible to measure or prove, so perfect as the experts cannot evidence what a crock of sh1te it is.



Just a thought...... however we leave, how can we not be inextricably linked? Esepcdially as we have a land border.
We certainy can't question it from the outside.


I know I'm wasting my time with this though.

You can't reason with the likes of OPM. He's bought into the doctrine and religion of Brexit, no reasoning will ever work with religious zealots. Trying to explain to brexiters why the decision to leave the EU will not be good for the UK, is like trying to get religious bods to understand that god does not, and never has, existed. Logic just does not work - they pretend to want to understand by asking questions, but they never intend to listen to the answers (I believe this is known as sealioning). The best we can do is keep calling out their bulltulip, and laughing at their idiocy

The irony is that the likes of OPM and Vetran are so fearful and xenophobic of other cultures and customs, scared of extremists, that they miss the fact that they themselves are just as radicalised and extremist themselves. It's just their religion is brexit. They even threaten violence on the streets if they don't get their own way.

[Lance]

They even threaten violence on the streets if they don't get their own way.

If Brexit is cancelled, and they do go on the streets, it just needs to be on a cold day and half of the old c*nts will die. Who's frightened of a rampaging mob of gammons with their zimmer frames?

[Eirikur]

If Brexit is cancelled, and they do go on the streets, it just needs to be on a cold day and half of the old c*nts will die. Who's frightened of a rampaging mob of gammons with their zimmer frames?

Remember the summer riots a few years ago. It finished because it started raining and these were teenagers

[Cirrus]

Fact Free Space

You can sit here with these other 27 people and even though you have a majority vote you can still be vetoed and so in effect you are not able to make your own decisions.

Or you can sit on your own table, make you own decisions and then have conversations with those 27 people and another 180 odd - without having to ask those original 27 for permission.

Same old crap. You never stop. Vacuous abstract nouns. I wonder if one day you will write anything with any substance; anything specific. Just name one 'decision' you think demonstrates your point. Just one

Every time you come on here everyone thinks "Here's Original spouting the same old religious doctrine" Why don't you spend some time coming up with a real concrete case that might actually support your argument rather than keep making the same ineffectual noises post after post?

[Lance]

Every time you come on here everyone thinks "Here's UnOriginal spouting the same old religious doctrine" Why don't you spend some time coming up with a real concrete case that might actually support your argument rather than keep making the same ineffectual noises post after post?

FTFY

[original PM]

Same old crap. You never stop. Vacuous abstract nouns. I wonder if one day you will write anything with any substance; anything specific. Just name one 'decision' you think demonstrates your point. Just one

Every time you come on here everyone thinks "Here's Original spouting the same old religious doctrine" Why don't you spend some time coming up with a real concrete case that might actually support your argument rather than keep making the same ineffectual noises post after post?

I just get the feeling we will do better alone than in a gang who do not really value us.

I understand the need to want to feel like you belong to something bigger than the UK so maybe go live in the EU and leave us silly little Englanders to our fate.

[Old Greg]

I just get the feeling we will do better alone than in a gang who do not really value us.

I understand the need to want to feel like you belong to something bigger than the UK so maybe go live in the EU and leave us silly little Englanders to our fate.

What's your feeling for how existing just in time manufacturing supply chains will play out?

[darmstadt]

I just get the feeling we will do better alone than in a gang who do not really value us.

I understand the need to want to feel like you belong to something bigger than the UK so maybe go live in the EU and leave us silly little Englanders to our fate.

Actually the EU does value the UK very much which is why they have constantly stated how sad it is that the UK voted to leave. But then again, by your second sentence, maybe they don't mind just England leaving