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[original PM]

That is not a uniquely British issue, the Spanish killed millions in Central and South America, the Dutch ransacked the East Indies, etc. Most of Africa was abused by the various European colonial powers who divided the continent between themselves. You could probably point the finger at the British for being the most "successful" in terms of global dominance and financial success, but in terms of brutality there's not between all of them. Judging historical events in terms of modern standards is a rather pointless exercise.
And just to correct you on one of your points, all of this was not done in "the veiled disguise of commerce", it was all blatantly and openly about commerce. We showed off the fruits of our conquests (see the Great Exhibition of 1851 as a prime example of many).

Very true - and the germans gassed 6 million men, women and children because they didn't like them cos they did not have blond hair and would do the tulipty jobs no German would do.

But yeah as genital warty says - completely comparable.

[Eirikur]

That is not a uniquely British issue, the Spanish killed millions in Central and South America, the Dutch ransacked the East Indies, etc. Most of Africa was abused by the various European colonial powers who divided the continent between themselves. You could probably point the finger at the British for being the most "successful" in terms of global dominance and financial success, but in terms of brutality there's nowt between all of them. Judging historical events in terms of modern standards is a rather pointless exercise.
And just to correct you on one of your points, all of this was not done in "the veiled disguise of commerce", it was all blatantly and openly about commerce. We showed off the fruits of our conquests (see the Great Exhibition of 1851 as a prime example of many).

Has this thread turned out into a competition who killed the biggest/least amount of people throughout history and on that basis we brexit or not?

Yes all (former) colonial powers murdered and genocided (some of them apologized for their past some not and some halfhearted, most the latter two)
Yes the Soviet Union under Stalin murdered more than Hitler (no one in current Russia is apologizing for that, many even denying)
Yes China under Mao (Corbyn's and John McDonnell's big friend) killed millions and millions, no real apologies for that)
Yes Germany killed millions (Germany is till today crawling through the dust to apologize for this)
And the list goes on and on if you go back far enough in history every nation or tribe is guilty

But the fact is that no-one has been killed, tortured or oppressed in name of the EU

[Mordac]

Has this thread turned out into a competition who killed the biggest/least amount of people throughout history and on that basis we brexit or not?

Yes all (former) colonial powers murdered and genocided (some of them apologized for their past some not and some halfhearted, most the latter two)
Yes the Soviet Union under Stalin murdered more than Hitler (no one in current Russia is apologizing for that, many even denying)
Yes China under Mao (Corbyn's and John McDonnell's big friend) killed millions and millions, no real apologies for that)
Yes Germany killed millions (Germany is till today crawling through the dust to apologize for this)
And the list goes on and on if you go back far enough in history every nation or tribe is guilty

But the fact is that no-one has been killed, tortured or oppressed in name of the EU

Of course not. The EU doesn't even have an army...

[original PM]

Of course not. The EU doesn't even have an army...

yet....

[minestrone]

The fascist Mussolini invaded Ethiopia and freed millions of slaves.

Decades later Bob Marley is singing loving odes to the rastafarian slave owning emperor of Ethiopia Haile Selassie. Whilst manging to produce a catalogue of hits belting out numbers about the evils of slavery.

[Mordac]

yet....

What do you think the was for?

[Old Greg]

Slaves were bought from African slave traders on the 2000 year old African slave market.

But yeah fook it blame the white man.

Did I say that only white men were responsible, or was I giving an example of British brutality within the context of a discussion about colonialism?

[vetran]

Do you mean to say you are happy to agree that JRM, BoJo, Arron Banks etc are re-writing the last 3 years to re-define what they said, while relying on the poor memory of their followers?

All 3 of them are opportunists.

However you mean like the EU & previous governments slowly redefined the EU so they now have an army and us nearly no veto?

[vetran]

You wish people would stop rewriting history? Then tell us how many slaves do you think were transported by British ships or to British colonies. You wash over that and head straight to abolition.

I don't wash over that in hindsight its shameful that slavery existed but do you know how many slaves were kept and transported by various countries? You know the Israelites were slaves, as were many Cornish captured by the Moors, Brits by the Romans etc?

Do you know how many Africans were sold by their Brothers & sisters into slavery? (quick clue it was nearly all of them > 90%). Do you know how many countries have traded in Slaves (quick clue it was all of them).

Do you know how many POWs were used as slave labour and starved to death by the Axis powers?

I do see we ended a trade that was legal and had been for millennia, then we stopped others carrying the trade on. But we should only feel shame because we took part in what was a legal trade at the time. You ever thought of working for HMRC?

[Old Greg]

I don't wash over that in hindsight its shameful that slavery existed but do you know how many slaves were kept and transported by various countries? You know the Israelites were slaves, as were many Cornish captured by the Moors, Brits by the Romans etc?

Do you know how many Africans were sold by their Brothers & sisters into slavery? (quick clue it was nearly all of them > 90%). Do you know how many countries have traded in Slaves (quick clue it was all of them).

Do you know how many POWs were used as slave labour and starved to death by the Axis powers?

I do see we ended a trade that was legal and had been for millennia, then we stopped others carrying the trade on. But we should only feel shame because we took part in what was a legal trade at the time. You ever thought of working for HMRC?

Back on the sauce so soon?