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[Whorty]

Hey we get rid of the EU & you ! Most people will see that as a positive outcome.

I'm just enjoying dispelling the desperate attempts to smear British history because you want to cosy up to our european cousins.

I'm sure you'll tell us next that forcing China to take our opium and starting 2 wars with them, ransacking their summer palace and killing untold numbers of locals was just a jolly little jape..

We may not have gassed millions like the Nazi Germans did, but our presence and influence in colonial territories directly resulted in millions of people dying. You can be in denial if you wish, but the facts and history are there for all to see. We were invading others countries, in the veiled disguise of commerce, and we didn't care who or how many died in the process.

[vetran]

How do you operate in society? There is nothing about your post that contradicts my statement: 'Curious how British fascist groups are pro Brexit.'

I didn't say that it is exclusively British fascists that are pro Brexit. Nor did I say that there are no left wingers who are pro Brexit.

So in what way does your statement about pro Brexit left wingers support your evaluation that my statement about British fascists is 'wrong'?

I operate fine I don't seem to need a minder to wipe the drool of my face or to leave the UK to find work like most remainers.

Your clear inference was that Brexit was a right wing initiative, you and the other morons have been bleating on about it for years. I pointed out that your observation about right wing support is balanced by a left wing support.

[Old Greg]

I'm sure you'll tell us next that forcing China to take our opium and starting 2 wars with them, ransacking their summer palace and killing untold numbers of locals was just a jolly little jape..

We may not have gassed millions like the Nazi Germans did, but our presence and influence in colonial territories directly resulted in millions of people dying. You can be in denial if you wish, but the facts and history are there for all to see. We were invading others countries, in the veiled disguise of commerce, and we didn't care who or how many died in the process.

He probably thinks the transatlantic slave trade was a positive christianising enterprise.

The weird thing is why anyone would feel ashamed of it anyway. I'm not responsible for actions long before I was born.

[shaunbhoy]

Lots of pious nonsense deleted

You really do have a seriously overdeveloped guilt complex. Do you keep it alongside all your other complexes to keep them warm?

[shaunbhoy]

The weird thing is why anyone would feel ashamed of it anyway. I'm not responsible for actions long before I was born.

So why is it that you seem to expect everyone else to feel remorseful about it? The likes of whorty are almost self-flagellating with guilt.

Strange behaviour indeed.

[Old Greg]

Obviously enough leavers have died like you nobrainers pray for. There are enough Hitler (sorry EU) youth indoctrinated to vote for an EUSSR.

The future belongs to EU - hey?

Curious how British fascist groups are pro Brexit.

How do you operate in society? There is nothing about your post that contradicts my statement: 'Curious how British fascist groups are pro Brexit.'

I didn't say that it is exclusively British fascists that are pro Brexit. Nor did I say that there are no left wingers who are pro Brexit.

So in what way does your statement about pro Brexit left wingers support your evaluation that my statement about British fascists is 'wrong'?

I operate fine I don't seem to need a minder to wipe the drool of my face or to leave the UK to find work like most remainers.

Your clear inference was that Brexit was a right wing initiative, you and the other morons have been bleating on about it for years. I pointed out that your observation about right wing support is balanced by a left wing support.

Leaving aside that I haven't made any such inference (look it up in a dictionary), let's follow the argument.

You made a statement about the EU and Hitler Youth and I made a statement that the alignment of British fascists is against the EU not pro EU. There was no statement about the broader set of people who are against the EU. So can you see now how my statement isn't wrong? I'm being patient here and trying to help you.

[Old Greg]

So why is it that you seem to expect everyone else to feel remorseful about it? The likes of whorty are almost self-flagellating with guilt.

Strange behaviour indeed.

I don't.

HTH

[vetran]

I'm sure you'll tell us next that forcing China to take our opium and starting 2 wars with them, ransacking their summer palace and killing untold numbers of locals was just a jolly little jape..

We may not have gassed millions like the Nazi Germans did, but our presence and influence in colonial territories directly resulted in millions of people dying. You can be in denial if you wish, but the facts and history are there for all to see. We were invading others countries, in the veiled disguise of commerce, and we didn't care who or how many died in the process.

so you realise the Famine accusations are false now? Good so that is done.

We were TRADING WITH OTHERS or finding new territories and we protected our interests, other countries were far more aggressive. Indians could have been speaking French or German if we hadn't fought those Imperial powers off. That would have made world war 2 far more difficult.

French colonial empire - Wikipedia

Spanish Empire - Wikipedia

Portuguese Empire - Wikipedia

English overseas possessions - Wikipedia

We are getting desperate now, the opium wars. Next its death by pollution caused by Chinese factories to supply us with plastic toys - you sound like Mayor Khan.

We are now on to drug smuggling by an international company hardly an unusual crime. Oh sorry it wasn't a crime at the time.

I suppose you missed the point the Chinese were just upset we had muscled in on their trade as well as beating the Portuguese to the trade.

History of opium in China - Wikipedia

In the 16th century the Portuguese became aware of the lucrative medicinal and recreational trade of opium into China, and from their factories across Asia chose to supply the Cantons, to satisfy both the medicinal and the recreational use of the drug

From there, the opium would reach the Chinese coast hidden aboard British ships; it was then smuggled into China by native merchants.

In compensation for the opium destroyed by Commissioner Lin British traders demanded compensation from their home government. However, British authorities believed that the Chinese were responsible for payment and sent expeditionary forces from India, which ravaged the Chinese coast in a series of battles and dictated the terms of settlement. The 1842 Treaty of Nanking not only opened the way for further opium trade, but ceded the territory of Hong Kong, unilaterally fixed Chinese tariffs at a low rate, gave Britain most favored nation status and permitted them diplomatic representation. Three million dollars in compensation for debts that the Hongmerchants in Canton owed British merchants for the destroyed opium was also to be paid under Article V.

So a legal drug trade, which was declared unilaterally illegal by the Chinese who then confiscated the goods.


It was business not malice.

[vetran]

Leaving aside that I haven't made any such inference (look it up in a dictionary), let's follow the argument.

You made a statement about the EU and Hitler Youth and I made a statement that the alignment of British fascists is against the EU not pro EU. There was no statement about the broader set of people who are against the EU. So can you see now how my statement isn't wrong? I'm being patient here and trying to help you.

Oh dear the feckwit is strong in this one!

Infer definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary

The use of infer to mean imply is becoming more and more common in both speech and writing.

Inference definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary

The act or process of inferring

I could of used imply but the dictionary does suggest its a common usage. keep with the prog grandad!

When you present one side of information in a bad way you do try to imply that it is the whole situation.

My reference to Hitler youth was to suggest the EU are tutoring the young to be faithful to the cause like Hitler & Stalin did. Whenever I talk to a young remainer they suggest we should remain but they are unable to tell me why.

[vetran]

He probably thinks the transatlantic slave trade was a positive christianising enterprise.

The weird thing is why anyone would feel ashamed of it anyway. I'm not responsible for actions long before I was born.

As we abolished a trade as old as time (one of the first countries to do so) and risked British lives enforcing it so yes I do believe it was a positive end, as the Gentlemen abolishing it were devout I believe that was a Christian experience for them.

History of slavery - Wikipedia


But I do agree I wasn't around then, so I can't take responsibility for it. However I do wish people would stop rewriting history to get advantage in the modern world.