Breixteers, how is this increasing opportunity?

[Whorty]

Nope.

If there was no downside then no body would be stopping you doing anything.

But there is and so they did.

Your view is that because you want to do something you should be able to and if it has negative consequences for anyone else you do not care do you.

I have absolutely no idea what this rambling is supposed to be getting at. Want to try posting it again more coherently?

[Whorty]

Nah.

They voted that way because they hated the ham faced pig's head fecker.

It's as simple as that.

You know what, that is the most truthful answer on why we are where we are today. The majority don't really know what they voted for, they had no idea of the impact of Brexit and all the elements that would be effected. What they wanted to do was give the government a kicking, partly over immigration, and partly because they were fed a load of lies about the way the EU is run. But then it's easier to blame the democratically elected but little known MEPs in Brussels, rather than our own MPs.

[original PM]

The politics of envy ... "If I can't have it, I don't want anyone else to have it"

Nope.

If there was no downside then no body would be stopping you doing anything.

But there is and so they did.

Your view is that because you want to do something you should be able to and if it has negative consequences for anyone else you do not care do you.

Is that clear now?

[Whorty]

Is that clear now?

Nope, have no idea what you're getting at. Not sure which 'body' you're referring to. I'm pretty sure nobody knows which body you mean.

[original PM]

Nope, have no idea what you're getting at. Not sure which 'body' you're referring to. I'm pretty sure nobody knows which body you mean.

I am confused now

Is it because I said 'no body' instead of 'nobody' which is causing you to struggle with my meaning?

[Cirrus]

He's shovelling money into the one armed Brexit - don't spoil it

Do you see the irony now in your posts?

It's not irony; it's hypocrisy. (It's ironic that PosterBhoy accuses us of speculating whilst he does nothing else but that, but the act itself is hypocritical rather than ironic)

This is cognitive dissonance.

You're saying "These are reasonable guesses as thing stand - why do you keep rejecting them as speculation (whilst you in turn come up with utter tripe)?"

He is saying "I like gambling. It makes me feel good. It doesn't matter what numbers come up. It's throwing the dice that I enjoy, so stop talking to me about odds - it's boring and depressing"

[NigelJK]

This is as good a place as any.
You do realise that for some of us this vote was the third chance to disengage from the mostly useless gravy train?
Enter the EEC - no thanks, but the left won that, didn't notice wails of anguished hate then.
Agree extension of EU powers - no thanks, but again the left wins, still no anguished wailing.
Third time lucky and despite large amounts used to 'inform' the public, they finally said enough is enough.

[Whorty]

I'll explain my lack of understanding.

I said: The politics of envy ... "If I can't have it, I don't want anyone else to have it"
You said "Nope."
Yep, get that, you don't think it's politics of envy.

You then went on to say ... "If there was no downside then no body would be stopping you doing anything."
I have absolutely no idea what you mean by this. I don't know what downside you're talking about. Is it the downside of Brexit, or some perceived downside of things we can do now like cross borders freely in Europe, live and work in any EU country? Where are the downsides to UK citizens of this? I can't speak French, so I'm never going to be able to work in France, but why should I then be envious of those that can?

This standalone paragraph, no idea what that refers to.
"But there is and so they did."

As for this ...
"Your view is that because you want to do something you should be able to and if it has negative consequences for anyone else you do not care do you."
Nope, didn't say that at all. I was saying that those who cannot do what others do (for e.g. work in France because they lack French language skills) are envious of those that can and instead of (say) learning said language skills to open up the same opportunities they have instead voted to close those opportunities for the majority and specifically future generations.

Being part of the EU gives us as UK citizens many more opportunities, should people wish to pursue them, than are available to us outside. Yes, we can still travel as tourists, but I ca do that today to say Thailand, but I couldn't work there easily. The same will be the case in the EU.

This is one example, but this is what I was referring to as the politics of envy. Ironically it's a labour/socialist trait but as many heartland Labour areas voted out the hard right leave campaigners played a blinder. Hard right Tory rich boys, playing the poor to vote for the politics of envy. Very clever, and the poor areas fell for it. Sad.

[Bean]

SNIP

Here, let me help you;

If there was no downside

to being inside the EU

then nobody would be stopping you doing anything.

Then there wouldn't have been a referendum to prevent you enjoying the status quo

But there is and so they did.

but there are downsides to being inside the EU and they (voting public) did try to prevent that

Your view is that because you want to do something you should be able to and if it has negative consequences for anyone else you do not care do you.

Because you want to travel, work & retire in the EU, everyone else suffering any downsides can be damned in your view


OPM can always correct me if i'm wrong, anyway, hope that helps you.

[original PM]

OPM can always correct me if i'm wrong, anyway, hope that helps you.

Nah I think you nailed it - glad I was not going mad.