Dyson chooses Singapore for new electric car plant

[scooterscot]

This has nothing to do with Brexit... blah blah

Was waiting for it!

Still it'll not stop shipping chlorinated chicken from half way round the world or Apple from New Zealand.

Trouble with defeating Brexiters arguments after a 10 minute conversation is you still have 9 minutes to kill.

[tazdevil]

Really? Who told you that?

Or is just a nice soundbite that justifies your unwillingness to conform to behaving in way that is best overall for everyone?

Nope no unwillingness to do the best overall for everyone because that's what Brexit will achieve. It'll sharpen our blunted edge and stop us sinking deeper into the EU mire. A federal EU state is potentially a much worse thing for the UK than any short term cost to get us out of it

[tazdevil]

Was waiting for it!

Still it'll not stop shipping chlorinated chicken from half way round the world or Apple from New Zealand.

Trouble with defeating Brexiters arguments after a 10 minute conversation is you still have 9 minutes to kill.

What's wrong with New Zealand apples? As for the chicken even the EU agrees that chlorination is safe but why are you sure that chlorinated chicken will come to us but only with a US trade deal and that salmonella is better than a disinfection process?

[tazdevil]

When Brexit happens, JRM, BoJo and their elite friends who don’t give a fig about us will not be dominant in the EU.

Good and dodgy politicians from Luxembourg and elsewhere will not be dominant here

[scooterscot]

What's wrong with New Zealand apples? As for the chicken even the EU agrees that chlorination is safe but why are you sure that chlorinated chicken will come to us but only with a US trade deal and that salmonella is better than a disinfection process?

Geography - were you off sick the day they taught geography in school? Certainly I skipped a few Engerlish lesons.

[chopper]

Good and dodgy politicians from Luxembourg and elsewhere will not be dominant here

Instead we can continue to rely on our unelected house of lords, along with a house of parliament where the ruling party routinely takes under 40% of the national vote but on this occasion the leader of said ruling party wasn't even voted into her position, and as a nation we didn't even return enough Tory MPs to give her a majority, forcing her to buy the votes of the vile DUP.

Yeeeah, democracy.

(Or we could take American democracy where the current president received 3 million fewer votes than his primary opponent).

At least our own dodgy politicians can come up with ropey legislation, such as the Investigatory Powers Act, all on its own without any EU intervention (because we're already a sovereign nation, we can do that).

As for the EU crumbling when the UK is out, I can't even begin to imagine where that comes from. We're insignificant. We're not going back to being the British Empire. If the US is lining up for a free trade agreement with the UK, it is because the UK currently enjoys a trade surplus with the US and Donald Trump would like to bring that down. And if China is lining up for a free trade agreement with the UK, it isn't so that they can buy more things from us.


So exactly which EU regulation has caused you problems? Which ECJ judgement has oppressed you? Which dodgy EU politician has caused you day to day issues. Tell me about when you voted for the Head of the WTO? Or those WTO Parliament elections you voted in?

[tazdevil]

Geography - were you off sick the day they taught geography in school? Certainly I skipped a few Engerlish lesons.

Nope got my Geography 'O' level and been to New Zealand as well as most other places. We can grow our own apples and I'm sure there'll be a lot of lamb, butter and other good stuff on the big ship from NZ, Australia and other countries trading with us

[rogerfederer]

Nope got my Geography 'O' level and been to New Zealand as well as most other places. We can grow our own apples and I'm sure there'll be a lot of lamb, butter and other good stuff on the big ship from NZ, Australia and other countries trading with us

The reason 'remainers' get angry with comments such as as yours is that we already trade food, drink and some products with Australia and New Zealand!
The imports and exports are not expected to increase nor decrease.

What trade are you actually proposing? Are you imagining a world in which we don't already trade with international countries? We trade on EU terms with international countries right now and it works quite well.

The reason otherwise calm individuals get annoyed with 4chan/naive/purposefully daft brexit people is because they don't have answers to the above questions. They don't have specifics - i.e: you don't have specifics, because there are no specifics to be had. There's no secret agenda by people like me; I buy new world wines sometimes and buy Scottish lamb. Why would I want to fly NZ lamb around the world with high carbon cost? But you're welcome to buy this trashy over-antibiotic-grown meat if you wish - you can even buy it before/during and after brexit from the usual place: generic high street supermarkets and frozen providers of ready meals. You won't find it in a butcher, because it's seen as lower quality than the UK lamb.

What is it you folk want? If you want balanced information with graphs, head over to the Financial Times, which adequately explains the issue with heading for brexit with no real other trading partners available to make up the loss of the EU. This isn't pessimism, it's blatant realism.

[tazdevil]

The reason 'remainers' get angry with comments such as as yours is that we already trade food, drink and some products with Australia and New Zealand!
The imports and exports are not expected to increase nor decrease.

What trade are you actually proposing? Are you imagining a world in which we don't already trade with international countries? We trade on EU terms with international countries right now and it works quite well.

The reason otherwise calm individuals get annoyed with 4chan/naive/purposefully daft brexit people is because they don't have answers to the above questions. They don't have specifics - i.e: you don't have specifics, because there are no specifics to be had. There's no secret agenda by people like me; I buy new world wines sometimes and buy Scottish lamb. Why would I want to fly NZ lamb around the world with high carbon cost? But you're welcome to buy this trashy over-antibiotic-grown meat if you wish - you can even buy it before/during and after brexit from the usual place: generic high street supermarkets and frozen providers of ready meals. You won't find it in a butcher, because it's seen as lower quality than the UK lamb.

What is it you folk want? If you want balanced information with graphs, head over to the Financial Times, which adequately explains the issue with heading for brexit with no real other trading partners available to make up the loss of the EU. This isn't pessimism, it's blatant realism.

I'm not proposing anything, or wanting anything as I've got it, but just answered a question to which I get a disparaging reaction. The EU might very well be an adequate trade organisation but it's becoming more than that and my view is that we'd be better off not having more of it which is probably a different view from yourself. That's fine but we've decided to leave so the current filibustering going on to defeat the referendum result and the whinging from the remain camp is just wrong and not doing the UK any favours so lets get on with getting out there and making our way in the world, something we always used to be good at and will be again

[rogerfederer]

I'm not proposing anything, or wanting anything as I've got it, but just answered a question to which I get a disparaging reaction. The EU might very well be an adequate trade organisation but it's becoming more than that and my view is that we'd be better off not having more of it which is probably a different view from yourself. That's fine but we've decided to leave so the current filibustering going on to defeat the referendum result and the whinging from the remain camp is just wrong and not doing the UK any favours so lets get on with getting out there and making our way in the world, something we always used to be good at and will be again

A small percentage point margin, given the alarmist fake news means that I think most of us, leave or brexit, suspect another referendum is on the way soon enough; so no worries on that front.

I was just intrigued as to why, technically, we could expect more NZ/Aussie product on our shop shelves. They already occupy quite significant space and, truth be told, don't produce much desirable economic stuff to import excluding food and drink. As for exporting: we already do that with a range of goods and I don't see how we can increase their desire for our goods. This is in line with current industry projected figures, so I'm not simply basing an opinion on a biased vote outcome, but instead looking at current and past trade agreements and not seeing much give anywhere.