Representing CUK Brexiteers

[WTFH]

Ah again your feckwittery know no bounds.

Being Born in the UK does not confer citizenship. - what I said and I was correct on its own being born in the UK does not confer citizenship.

Being Born in the UK to British citizens (naturalised or not) confers citizenship. - You added the bit in red and chided me because you imagined it was in my post.

Are you saying that being born in the UK to British citizens doe not make you an immigrant?

Also, have you found that link yet?

[vetran]

According to the propaganda man who can't find a link to back up his wildly inaccurate opinion, he expects that anyone born in the UK whose mother is not born in the UK to be treated as an immigrant. Doesn't matter whether his mother is British or not, if she wasn't born in the UK, then the child can never be considered British.

I put plenty of links up and asked you direct questions you ignored them. Guess what? I'm going to ignore your requests.

Tell you what though I'll post some comments from experts.

https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/think...ist-viewpoint/

https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/press-article/89


For the purpose of showing what is driving population growth we have to count the children of immigrants as a result of immigration. What their legal status is immaterial to what effect they have on being from immigration.

Again trying to close down discussion on immigration by repainting figures and accusing people of racism.

[vetran]

A dog born in a stable is not a horse, don't you know.
Now where did I hear that before?

in your addled mind?

[vetran]

Are you saying that being born in the UK to British citizens doe not make you an immigrant?

Also, have you found that link yet?

Yes in the eyes of the law, I even linked to the law.

If however you are trying understand the effect of immigration the child of immigrants are still part of group we have to measure.

Sorry if you & Ass are having difficulty understanding. Maybe we should use crayons.

[sasguru]

Ah again your feckwittery know no bounds.

Being Born in the UK does not confer citizenship. - what I said and I was correct on its own being born in the UK does not confer citizenship.

Being Born in the UK to British citizens (naturalised or not) confers citizenship. - You added the bit in red and chided me because you imagined it was in my post.

Yes but in the context of the discussion this is what matters, you stupid, stupid man.
We are discussing the status of immigrants' UK-born children and whether they should be included in the immigrant statistics and it is clear they shouldn't be.

[sasguru]

Yes in the eyes of the law, I even linked to the law.

If however you are trying understand the effect of immigration the child of immigrants are still part of group we have to measure.

Sorry if you & Ass are having difficulty understanding. Maybe we should use crayons.

Your ignorance and illogicality is so deep that even crayons (which is probably the level at which your education terminated) will not help you.

[sasguru]

Again trying to close down discussion on immigration by repainting figures and accusing people of racism.

Who's trying to close down the discussion? Another straw man. Typical of you.
We're merely pointing out that you're an idiot who doesn't engage with the evidence when it doesn't support your point of view and squirms and twists away from the point.
I wouldn't hire you to organise a piss up in a brewery, it's a surprise to me you can actually make a living, you're so dense.

[vetran]

Yes but in the context of the discussion this is what matters, you stupid, stupid man.
We are discussing the status of immigrants' UK-born children and whether they should be included in the immigrant statistics and it is clear they shouldn't be.

The context of the discussion as framed by me was an 80% growth in population was due to immigration.

If people come into the country and then have children the sum of those people are due to immigration.

You & WTFH are getting confused as usual. It does not matter whether they are british citizens. or not.

if you get married then have 3 children, divorce and then have 4 children the total number of children you have is 7. It doesn't matter what surname they have or if they are born out of wedlock.

[meridian]

For the purpose of showing what is driving population growth we have to count the children of immigrants as a result of immigration. What their legal status is immaterial to what effect they have on being from immigration.

That’s not a bad point, if it’s taken in isolation. However, the organisations you’re linking to have an agenda that all immigration is bad, therefore they want to up the numbers to scare you.

If all you want to do is measure population growth then fine, but this on it’s own is pointless without a deeper discussion on both impacts and benefits of immigration.

Again trying to close down discussion on immigration by repainting figures and accusing people of racism.

I’ve read through most of this thread and the only one who’s mentioned racism is you.

[vetran]

That’s not a bad point, if it’s taken in isolation. However, the organisations you’re linking to have an agenda that all immigration is bad, therefore they want to up the numbers to scare you.

If all you want to do is measure population growth then fine, but this on it’s own is pointless without a deeper discussion on both impacts and benefits of immigration.

I’ve read through most of this thread and the only one who’s mentioned racism is you.

Thanks glad you understand and tried to understand.

I'm quite a fan of managed migration. I want the best doctors, scientists etc to come here and stay. However the current migration strategies quality & volume is making people very unhappy. The result will almost certainly be unpleasantness.

Migrationwatch has been attacked regularly however they have consistently proved their figures correct. Even if the devil provides the detail a sensible man tries to understand it.

I'm not sure Migrationwatch is racist here is a glowing report from the Guardian freely admitting that its figures were right despite accusations of racism.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ounder-peerage


I am often accused of racism here, these and other posters have suggested I am a member of the BNP & EDL frequently. Both WTFH & Sasguru have ,I am assuming deliberately, misunderstood the detail, either that or they are quite stupid.


I think a 12% increase in population in 15 years is something we should talk about regardless of where it comes from don't you?