Representing CUK Brexiteers

[sasguru]

No, you are listening to "All immigration is evil", "all immigrants steal jobs", "all immigrants are on benefits", etc, and when challenged, you claim that it's false and that you have to put up with a litany of "all immigration is good".
If you are hearing that "all immigration is good" so often, could you please point to one headline in the Daily Mail which says that. Or any other media outlet that you rely on for your news.

You must know that there's no point arguing with vetran (sic) by now.
Like most thickos, the nuances of complicated situations are beyond the level his IQ can deal with.
Hence the self-pleading, non sequiturs and straw men (of which you have pointed out one) in his last 2 hysterical emails.

He and I do agree on one thing though, we both want Brexit (for different reasons). And as everyone knows the only real Brexit is a hard one

[vetran]

No, you are listening to "All immigration is evil", "all immigrants steal jobs", "all immigrants are on benefits", etc, and when challenged, you claim that it's false and that you have to put up with a litany of "all immigration is good".
If you are hearing that "all immigration is good" so often, could you please point to one headline in the Daily Mail which says that. Or any other media outlet that you rely on for your news.

Try the BBC & the Guardian.

Any suggestion that our population is growing uncontrollably or that the fabric of the country has changed massively, or tensions between new arrivals are causing issues you are accused of being racist and someone reminds us that the NHS has stolen 23% of doctors from abroad rather than training our own.

As you know some immigration can be good and those who want managed immigration being accused of racism are rather pissed off with it.

I have popped a couple of briefing papers in general, I have added a few yes no questions so you don't get confused.

1. showing the rampant abuse of ICTs to undercut us that would be large outsourcers abusing their nationals to steal our jobs to use your terminology. Do you support this abuse? Do you think this improves the UK's chance of competing?

2. The growth in the UK population via immigration is 80% of the total it appears the ONS under reported it as just 60%. That is 6.6 million in 15 years without any significant improvements in infrastructure we haven't build 7 Birminghams to house them or hired thousands of new GPs, How many Hospitals have we built? Which party included this change to migration in their manifesto? Do you support this level of immigration? Do you believe it will improve integration & quality of life in the UK?

[WTFH]

No, you are listening to "All immigration is evil", "all immigrants steal jobs", "all immigrants are on benefits", etc, and when challenged, you claim that it's false and that you have to put up with a litany of "all immigration is good".
If you are hearing that "all immigration is good" so often, could you please point to one headline in the Daily Mail which says that. Or any other media outlet that you rely on for your news.

Try the BBC & the Guardian.

I asked you to provide me with a link to a headline not a vague comment about looking at two news sources. Just a link to somewhere that specifically says "all immigration is good".

If you haven't got that link, then that would imply you have been sucked in to the propaganda of the Daily Wail.

I realise you'd prefer to change the subject, or go on the attack in some other direction, but all I'd like is an actual link to an actual headline from the BBC or the Guardian (since you have suggested they have specifically said it) where they have said it.

[WTFH]

2. The growth in the UK population via immigration is 80% of the total it appears the ONS under reported it as just 60%. That is 6.6 million in 15 years

Shame you've got your figures wrong, and have chosen to quote a website that is well known to lean heavily towards "migrants are bad"
1. The figure that MigrationWatch are claiming is 3.1million immigrants.

The new calculations estimate that net arrivals of migrants accounted for 3.1 million - or 47% - of the total UK population increase of 6.6 million between 2001 and 2016.

2. They then add in 2.3 million people, claiming that a child born in the UK is an immigrant. The don't specify how many generations the family have to live in the UK before a child can be recognised as not an immigrant, but hey, why bother about facts if you can scare your right wing friends with fake figures?

Migration Watch UK has adjusted the ONS calculation of the immigration contribution to past population growth to take into account the contribution to annual population growth made by the annual births of children of immigrants.

Also

this data include people of British origin (and citizenship) born overseas

[sasguru]

Shame you've got your figures wrong, and have chosen to quote a website that is well known to lean heavily towards "migrants are bad"
1. The figure that MigrationWatch are claiming is 3.1million immigrants.


2. They then add in 2.3 million people, claiming that a child born in the UK is an immigrant. The don't specify how many generations the family have to live in the UK before a child can be recognised as not an immigrant, but hey, why bother about facts if you can scare your right wing friends with fake figures?


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A dog born in a stable is not a horse, don't you know.
Now where did I hear that before?

[Bean]

Shame you've got your figures wrong, and have chosen to quote a website that is well known to lean heavily towards "migrants are bad"
1. The figure that MigrationWatch are claiming is 3.1million immigrants.


2. They then add in 2.3 million people, claiming that a child born in the UK is an immigrant. The don't specify how many generations the family have to live in the UK before a child can be recognised as not an immigrant, but hey, why bother about facts if you can scare your right wing friends with fake figures?


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3, looks like the most probable answer, given the usage of the term 2nd generation immigrant by various outlets etc...

In the UK: ‘Third generation migrants

Btw....Is 47% (or 60%, or 80%) of population growth, due to immigration, too high a value to allow for successful integration into the country?

[vetran]

Shame you've got your figures wrong, and have chosen to quote a website that is well known to lean heavily towards "migrants are bad"
1. The figure that MigrationWatch are claiming is 3.1million immigrants.


2. They then add in 2.3 million people, claiming that a child born in the UK is an immigrant. The don't specify how many generations the family have to live in the UK before a child can be recognised as not an immigrant, but hey, why bother about facts if you can scare your right wing friends with fake figures?


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Ok so how do you add immigrants and their dependants in to the equation ? This is about growth of the population, were the children dropped by storks or were they born to people not here 15 years ago?

They aren't fake you are just attempting to present them incorrectly as usual. Being born in the UK does not confer British citizenship they are still regarded as immigrants.

https://www.gov.uk/types-of-british-...sh-citizenship

An example you might understand.

If I have £100 and invest with my friend Franco and his £100 we earn £20 in interest between us, but because Franco is Italian his £10 belongs to me? Does that seem correct?

[sasguru]

Being born in the UK does not confer British citizenship they are still regarded as immigrants.

https://www.gov.uk/types-of-british-...sh-citizenship

Actually in most cases it does. If your parents are naturalised British citizens being born in the Uk makes you British. What did you expect - children of immigrants would be stateless?

An example you might understand.

If I have £100 and invest with my friend Franco and his £100 we earn £20 in interest between us, but because Franco is Italian his £10 belongs to me? Does that seem correct?

Feck me what's your IQ? About 60?

You know how you didn't do too well at school? Nothing's changed.

[WTFH]

Actually in most cases it does. If your parents are naturalised British citizens being born in the Uk makes you British. What did you expect - children of immigrants would be stateless?

According to the propaganda man who can't find a link to back up his wildly inaccurate opinion, he expects that anyone born in the UK whose mother is not born in the UK to be treated as an immigrant. Doesn't matter whether his mother is British or not, if she wasn't born in the UK, then the child can never be considered British.

[vetran]

Actually in most cases it does. If your parents are naturalised British citizens being born in the Uk makes you British. What did you expect - children of immigrants would be stateless?

Ah again your feckwittery know no bounds.

Being Born in the UK does not confer citizenship. - what I said and I was correct on its own being born in the UK does not confer citizenship.

Being Born in the UK to British citizens (naturalised or not) confers citizenship. - You added the bit in red and chided me because you imagined it was in my post.