Supermarkets slam "food stockpiling" suggestion by government.

[darmstadt]

I don't know why people are banging on about the CAP as the British government have stated that they will continue to provide the same amount of subsidies to British farmers once Brexit has been dusted and done, so no changes there either

[meridian]

Indeed, some more inefficient small farmers to add to the list of examples...

Still, I'm sure the CAP system will 'reform itself' and deffo not remain at status quo, due in no small part, to France...

The CAP has reformed somewhat over the years, it’s reduced from 70+% to 40%-ish.

I have a vague recollection that David Cameron had secured additional reforms in the last round of negotiations but they were deferred in return for the UK keeping it’s rebate. Win win for Cameron, keeps the rebate as well as CAP payments for Tory landowners. Will have to have a Google for that to check if I’m recalling it correctly or making it up....

[vetran]

Lord Rothermere of Daily Mail fame receives £29,000 from the CAP The Queen received £1,183,508 over the last two years for privately owning the Sandrigham estate (figures are 2014.)

well that is his cigar allowance covered!

[vetran]

Who's "we"? You aren't going to be at the front of anything. You're and your fellow cretins are too thick.

sorry this is the "facts not feckwits conversation", you as usual weren't invited being under burdened with facts!

We know you won't be joining us as your wife has bought you a Bordello to work at in Portugal.

[PurpleGorilla]

The CAP has reformed somewhat over the years, it’s reduced from 70+% to 40%-ish.

I have a vague recollection that David Cameron had secured additional reforms in the last round of negotiations but they were deferred in return for the UK keeping it’s rebate. Win win for Cameron, keeps the rebate as well as CAP payments for Tory landowners. Will have to have a Google for that to check if I’m recalling it correctly or making it up....

It’s worth just highlighting that figure.

That’s 41% of the entire EU budget spent on the CAP.

https://ec.europa.eu/agriculture/sit.../graph1_en.pdf

€40bn a year. (For context that’s 60% of Kenya’s GDP in total).

[Zigenare]

It’s worth just highlighting that figure.

That’s 41% of the entire EU budget spent on the CAP.

https://ec.europa.eu/agriculture/sit.../graph1_en.pdf

€40bn a year. (For context that’s 60% of Kenya’s GDP in total).

You do know how "uppity" and "set firety" French Farmers can get, how else would you appease them?

[Cirrus]

That’s 41% of the entire EU budget spent on the CAP. €40bn a year.

Living in the country, I'm pleased to see the benefits of all the support that is provided. If we can all afford it then it seems like a reasonable re-distributive 'tax'.

You could equally well have focussed your fear mongering on why 'other EU policies' have been growing and thus making CAP a smaller proportion (the actual CAP expenditure has remained fairly level for the last quarter century). Do we know what those other expenditures are? Do we get our fair share?

[Bean]

Living in the country, I'm pleased to see the benefits of all the support that is provided. If we can all afford it then it seems like a reasonable re-distributive 'tax'.

You could equally well have focussed your fear mongering on why 'other EU policies' have been growing and thus making CAP a smaller proportion (the actual CAP expenditure has remained fairly level for the last quarter century). Do we know what those other expenditures are? Do we get our fair share?

Taxpayers money going to the Queen of England, via the EU CAP programme - is a 'reasonable re-distributive 'tax'' is it?

Are you serious?

[meridian]

Supermarkets slam "food stockpiling" suggestion by government.

It’s worth just highlighting that figure.

That’s 41% of the entire EU budget spent on the CAP.

https://ec.europa.eu/agriculture/sit.../graph1_en.pdf

€40bn a year. (For context that’s 60% of Kenya’s GDP in total).

It’s hardly a level playing field if you’re comparing the subsidies of the entire EU against Kenya. What do the subsidies compare to, say, Africa? Or USA? Or China?

(Note: my point isn’t whether subsidies are good or bad, only that if you’re comparing them then at least use apples to apples, and not apples to a peanut)

[sasguru]

It’s hardly a level playing field if you’re comparing the subsidies of the entire EU against Kenya. What do the subsidies compare to, say, Africa? Or USA? Or China?

(Note: my point isn’t whether subsidies are good or bad, only that if you’re comparing them then at least use apples to apples, and not apples to a peanut)

I've always been fascinated by the fact that Brexshitters don't seem to understand proportion or ratio.
SO they moan about 8 billion per annum given to the EU, but ignore the 50 billion to 150 billion per annum (depending on which estimate you take) it will cost for a hard Brexit.
Always comparing apples with pears.
It seems there is a huge failure in the British mathematical education system.
Or we've just bred too many congenital idiots.