Japanese companies not quite behind Brexit

[meridian]

???

we voted to avoid having another set of politicians layered on top of the ones we already have

no one ever said that we want to change the way we buy widgets.

or is it that if we want to have free trade we must have the leaches bleeding us dry and telling us what to do?

I do not see why the two are connected - other than that politicians make them so to keep themselves in power.

Well. I honestly don’t know what to say.

Have a chat with your other Brexit chums and get them to explain it to you.

[BlasterBates]

???

no one ever said that we want to change the way we buy widgets.

If you actually check how the EU impinges on British law, that's what it is in a nutshell

EU law tells you the way in which you buy your widgets, nothing more, nothing less.

EU law says nothing about defence, going to war, tax law, justice and criminal law, how you organise your health service, employment law (other than the opt outable social chapter which the UK voluntarily signed up to) education or social security.

That's why everyone will be disappointed, because nothing will change, in the end Britain will still buy widgets in the same way.

[shaunbhoy]

That means any widget purchasing (or sales) that involves the EU has to change because that's what you voted for.

Except it needn't involve that at all.

If you had grasped that salient point you may have had the wit and wisdom to vote differently.

[meridian]

Except it needn't involve that at all.

If you had grasped that salient point you may have had the wit and wisdom to vote differently.

It needn’t involve that, if the choice of Brexit was to stay in the SM+CU. However, as Brexiters on this forum have pointed out, Leave meant leaving those frameworks.

The EU have made it clear from the start that being outside the SM+CU means that there will not be the same level of frictionless trade. It will, by default, introduce “friction”. Therefore, supply chains will need to change.

[shaunbhoy]

It needn’t involve that, if the choice of Brexit was to stay in the SM+CU. However, as Brexiters on this forum have pointed out, Leave meant leaving those frameworks.

The EU have made it clear from the start that being outside the SM+CU means that they would prefer it if there were not the same level of frictionless trade.

That is the crux of the matter. For the EU to be seen to be too readily accepting that this can be the case, it would place them in danger of other discontented parties demanding the same.

It may not be expedient for the EU hierarchy to relax their control over some or all of the member states, but they need to be reminded that this Union is not there simply to further the wishes of the elitist politicos.

It is primarily a marriage of member states who wish to operate in a mutually beneficial environment.

That environment need not be as stringently controlled by a small ruling elite in the way that it currently seems to operate.

They are scared to death that powerful bodies within this arrangement outside of the Brussels Control Room begin to cotton onto the fact that the major benefits of this Co-Operative can be maintained without their costly and often unwanted interventions.

[meridian]

That is the crux of the matter. For the EU to be seen to be too readily accepting that this can be the case, it would place them in danger of other discontented parties demanding the same.

It may not be expedient for the EU hierarchy to relax their control over some or all of the member states, but they need to be reminded that this Union is not there simply to further the wishes of the elitist politicos.

It is primarily a marriage of member states who wish to operate in a mutually beneficial environment.

That environment need not be as stringently controlled by a small ruling elite in the way that it currently seems to operate.

They are scared to death that powerful bodies within this arrangement outside of the Brussels Control Room begin to cotton onto the fact that the major benefits of this Co-Operative can be maintained without their costly and often unwanted interventions.

All of the above is opinion, and subjective at that.

The fact is that the EU has stated from the start that leaving the SM+CU will introduce friction - a third party cannot have an equal or better deal than members of the collective.

[WTFH]

That is the crux of the matter. For the EU to be seen to be too readily accepting that this can be the case, it would place them in danger of other discontented parties demanding the same.

It may not be expedient for the EU hierarchy to relax their control over some or all of the member states, but they need to be reminded that this Union is not there simply to further the wishes of the elitist politicos.

It is primarily a marriage of member states who wish to operate in a mutually beneficial environment.

That environment need not be as stringently controlled by a small ruling elite in the way that it currently seems to operate.

They are scared to death that powerful bodies within this arrangement outside of the Brussels Control Room begin to cotton onto the fact that the major benefits of this Co-Operative can be maintained without their costly and often unwanted interventions.

You voted to leave the SM and CU. The EU did not ask that you did that. You can try to blame someone else for your bad decision, but you’ll fail.

[shaunbhoy]

You voted to leave the SM and CU. The EU did not ask that you did that. You can try to blame someone else for your bad decision, but you’ll fail.

I don't regard it as a "bad decision" though. That is where we differ.

I voted for us to take the first step in renegotiating a new framework. I never expected it to be easy nor pain free (quite probably for both sides), but change seldom is.

[darmstadt]

I don't regard it as a "bad decision" though. That is where we differ.

I voted for us to take the first step in renegotiating a new framework. I never expected it to be easy nor pain free (quite probably for both sides), but change seldom is.

No you didn't, you voted to leave the EU which means everything it entails...

[shaunbhoy]

No you didn't, you voted to leave the EU which means everything it entails...

Unlike you, I also managed to quantify what the fallout from the Vote might amount to.