Reply to: Japanese companies not quite behind Brexit

[shaunbhoy]

We’ll do our best to work out what you mean

Yes, therein lies the problem.

You are too poorly equipped to think outside of whatever box you prefer to house yourself in.

[WTFH]

Probably not to you.....not without crayons.

HTH BIDI

Well, take them out of your nose and start trying. We’ll do our best to work out what you mean with your ham-fisted efforts.

[shaunbhoy]

So you can’t explain it then.

Probably not to you.....not without crayons.

HTH BIDI

[meridian]

I would explain but it would go over your head.

So you can’t explain it then.

[shaunbhoy]

Within the space of three posts.

So which is it that you voted for? Change? Or no change?

I would explain but it would go over your head.

[vetran]

When all we are left with is Shaunbhoy to argue Brexit with, its a clear indication that Brexitiers are now realising how bad a decision it has been.

ah Bremoaner logic, you can see why people voted to remain.

No we just can't be bothered listening to a bunch of arrogant twunts blather on about the mother EU while desperately clutching at straws.

[meridian]

That means any widget purchasing (or sales) that involves the EU has to change because that's what you voted for.

Except it needn't involve that at all.

If you had grasped that salient point you may have had the wit and wisdom to vote differently.

I don't regard it as a "bad decision" though. That is where we differ.

I voted for us to take the first step in renegotiating a new framework. I never expected it to be easy nor pain free (quite probably for both sides), but change seldom is.

Within the space of three posts.

So which is it that you voted for? Change? Or no change?

[Whorty]

When all we are left with is Shaunbhoy to argue Brexit with, its a clear indication that Brexitiers are now realising how bad a decision it has been.

This is why the Brexiters wanted a separate Brexit thread - somewhere they can avoid and not have to be reminded of the bad decisions they have made.

[motoukenin]

No you didn't, you voted to leave the EU which means everything it entails...

When all we are left with is Shaunbhoy to argue Brexit with, its a clear indication that Brexitiers are now realising how bad a decision it has been.

[shaunbhoy]

No you didn't, you voted to leave the EU which means everything it entails...

Unlike you, I also managed to quantify what the fallout from the Vote might amount to.

[darmstadt]

I don't regard it as a "bad decision" though. That is where we differ.

I voted for us to take the first step in renegotiating a new framework. I never expected it to be easy nor pain free (quite probably for both sides), but change seldom is.

No you didn't, you voted to leave the EU which means everything it entails...

[shaunbhoy]

You voted to leave the SM and CU. The EU did not ask that you did that. You can try to blame someone else for your bad decision, but you’ll fail.

I don't regard it as a "bad decision" though. That is where we differ.

I voted for us to take the first step in renegotiating a new framework. I never expected it to be easy nor pain free (quite probably for both sides), but change seldom is.

[WTFH]

That is the crux of the matter. For the EU to be seen to be too readily accepting that this can be the case, it would place them in danger of other discontented parties demanding the same.

It may not be expedient for the EU hierarchy to relax their control over some or all of the member states, but they need to be reminded that this Union is not there simply to further the wishes of the elitist politicos.

It is primarily a marriage of member states who wish to operate in a mutually beneficial environment.

That environment need not be as stringently controlled by a small ruling elite in the way that it currently seems to operate.

They are scared to death that powerful bodies within this arrangement outside of the Brussels Control Room begin to cotton onto the fact that the major benefits of this Co-Operative can be maintained without their costly and often unwanted interventions.

You voted to leave the SM and CU. The EU did not ask that you did that. You can try to blame someone else for your bad decision, but you’ll fail.

[meridian]

That is the crux of the matter. For the EU to be seen to be too readily accepting that this can be the case, it would place them in danger of other discontented parties demanding the same.

It may not be expedient for the EU hierarchy to relax their control over some or all of the member states, but they need to be reminded that this Union is not there simply to further the wishes of the elitist politicos.

It is primarily a marriage of member states who wish to operate in a mutually beneficial environment.

That environment need not be as stringently controlled by a small ruling elite in the way that it currently seems to operate.

They are scared to death that powerful bodies within this arrangement outside of the Brussels Control Room begin to cotton onto the fact that the major benefits of this Co-Operative can be maintained without their costly and often unwanted interventions.

All of the above is opinion, and subjective at that.

The fact is that the EU has stated from the start that leaving the SM+CU will introduce friction - a third party cannot have an equal or better deal than members of the collective.

[shaunbhoy]

It needn’t involve that, if the choice of Brexit was to stay in the SM+CU. However, as Brexiters on this forum have pointed out, Leave meant leaving those frameworks.

The EU have made it clear from the start that being outside the SM+CU means that they would prefer it if there were not the same level of frictionless trade.

That is the crux of the matter. For the EU to be seen to be too readily accepting that this can be the case, it would place them in danger of other discontented parties demanding the same.

It may not be expedient for the EU hierarchy to relax their control over some or all of the member states, but they need to be reminded that this Union is not there simply to further the wishes of the elitist politicos.

It is primarily a marriage of member states who wish to operate in a mutually beneficial environment.

That environment need not be as stringently controlled by a small ruling elite in the way that it currently seems to operate.

They are scared to death that powerful bodies within this arrangement outside of the Brussels Control Room begin to cotton onto the fact that the major benefits of this Co-Operative can be maintained without their costly and often unwanted interventions.