Brexit Betrayal

[jamesbrown]

That question's already been answered - the EU are insisting that the "intent" is formalised legally as soon as possible into the withdrawal agreement.

That's only the overt reaction though. The main impact will be less visible, the EU won't trust the UK to do what it has agreed, so you can expect a large wad of cash to leave HM Treasury to the EU before any trade deals are discussed.

The Withdrawal Agreement and Implementation Bill cannot be enacted (or even fully drafted) until there is a Withdrawal Agreement, so both of those are impossible for the same reason. In short, this is all meaningless posturing (from both sides).

[BrilloPad]

That question's already been answered - the EU are insisting that the "intent" is formalised legally as soon as possible into the withdrawal agreement.

That's only the overt reaction though. The main impact will be less visible, the EU won't trust the UK to do what it has agreed, so you can expect a large wad of cash to leave HM Treasury to the EU before any trade deals are discussed.

So no trade deal will be discussed then. Good.

[Platypus]

That question's already been answered - the EU are insisting that the "intent" is formalised legally as soon as possible into the withdrawal agreement.

That's only the overt reaction though. The main impact will be less visible, the EU won't trust the UK to do what it has agreed, so you can expect a large wad of cash to leave HM Treasury to the EU before any trade deals are discussed.

But I though it was agreed that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed?

[BrilloPad]

But I though it was agreed that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed?

Or is that just an understanding?

[Platypus]

Or is that just an understanding?

That was my understanding


EDIT: actually, it was agreed
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/site...int_report.pdf

[meridian]

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But I though it was agreed that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed?

That only refers to Phase 1 & 2, ie the preamble and the withdrawal agreement which may or may not include the transition period), not any trade deals...

Although the Government will continue to claim that it relates to the whole thing including a trade deal.

[WTFH]

But I though it was agreed that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed?

That's the intent of the agreement, at least until the agreement of intent is agreed, intentionally.

[meridian]

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So no trade deal will be discussed then. Good.

No, not until we've left. There are going to be some very upset people next year.

We've agreed Phase 1, we can move to Phase 2. Phase 2 will give us the framework for a future relationship, plus the Withdrawal Agreement, plus any transitional arrangements. In return, the UK will legally settle its obligations (actual payment schedule to be determined), plus agree additional payments and ECJ oversight for the transitional period (but no say on EU regulations, we just have to accept them).

Then, during the transitional period that we are all paying for, the trade negotiations can start, as the third country that we now are.

May would like all of this out of the way before March 2019 because she knows that any leverage is lost after we officially leave, but that won't happen.

[meridian]

The Withdrawal Agreement and Implementation Bill cannot be enacted (or even fully drafted) until there is a Withdrawal Agreement, so both of those are impossible for the same reason. In short, this is all meaningless posturing (from both sides).

I'm not sure it's meaningless posturing - from Parliament last night the actual impact is minimal, but it does set a reasonable precedent that any deal has to be a good one and not just rammed through by May, and from the EU side they're seriously pissed off with Davis treating this like some kind of game, which is damaging our reputation and possible negotiating position.

[BrilloPad]

No, not until we've left. There are going to be some very upset people next year.

I know. I should feel sorry for the EU. However I only care about the UK.