A Brexit Thread from Someone who Didn't Vote

[northernladyuk]

Iain Duncan Smith for Justice. He'd sort out the enemies of the people. Fooking independent judiciary, what a silly idea.

Anna Marie Morris for Communities and Local Government.

[northernladyuk]

Eric Pickles for Digital, Culture, Media & Sport.

[sasguru]

Eric Pickles for Digital, Culture, Media & Sport.

[WTFH]

"I previously wrote about us ALL assuming too much, for instance, wasn't there a proposal that we may stay inside the CEN and therefore most, if not all of your point is moot?"

and

"we're likely to assimilate most of the EU instruments" - meaning we meet the currently defined market regulations and exporters currently have to stamp it CE.


If this isn't possible, or agreed - then yes, the UK will have to look at helping businesses adjust to the changes - but I'm sure we'd accept the CE mark for the vast majority of goods on day#1 after Brexit, whilst the UK specific scheme is rolling out, at which point we can eventually rely on the UK-based scheme.


As for cba exporters - we spend money, they are free to supply goods to us, or not - voluntary nature of business, but the majority will be wanting a slice of our earnings.
Basic Capitalism.

There is no proposal to stay inside CEN or to stay in the European Commission. I have pointed out that it would be a good idea if the UK did and explained why. Every time you try to twist my words, when you realise you’re still wrong you trot out “but it might not happen”. You’re right, Brexit might not happen.

But since your mind thinks that making products more expensive for the UK market and closing down UK businesses is just “basic capitalism”, then you are accepting that Brexit is really bad for the UK economy long term. In the short term, while the UK slavishly accepts new EC rules and CEN standards post Brexit, then the issue is non existent. But if UK businesses when selling in the UK are abiding by EC rules, then we’ve not really left, have we?

Basic Intelligence.

[motoukenin]

What is the problem?
What is the solution then?
How do you know what people care about (at least some voters interviewed have listed some things you listed as reasons for voting out...)?

I don't ignore people living outside of their means.
I'm aware most people don't have a rainy day fund.
Currency fluctuations can occur at any time, for multiple reasons.

Will the reduction/removal of tariffs from non-eu produce have no counter-effect on the prices of some goods?

Some people want to trigger house selling, or at least a correction to the bubble.
The government has an interest in keeping people in work, so will they take zero action?

Perhaps this is kick the country needs to wean itself off huge consumer debts, that have become an addiction?

Although I do understand and actually agree with some of your arguments, the way Brexit has been managed by UK gov has been at best amateur. Thinking that they could leave and tell the EU what the deal was going to be was just naive and now we are in a position with increasing interest rates , mortage payments going up , stagnant wage levels and to cap it all having to put tariffs on imported goods to protect businesses here , and more importantly tax revenue's which is just going to make it even harder.

I am pretty sure that when the 2 years is up , or when we know in Oct 2018 what he deal is UK Gov will be facing huge strikes, low popularity and there will be a general impression from the public that this has not been done well, possibly even an election where Mr Corbyn will be giving us a new misguided view of how it should be done.

Am I so glad I got out of UK when I did.

[sasguru]

Corbyn is getting in whatever happens, unless the Tories do something radical (which works for the young)

The demographics are so skewed in his favour as to be scary:

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/06/13...eral-election/

[Lance]

Corbyn is getting in whatever happens, unless the Tories do something radical (which works for the young)

The demographics are so skewed in his favour as to be scary:

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/06/13...eral-election/

the only thing missing from that 'demographic' study is the number of people in each age group. Which makes it interesting but NOT demographic.
The only thing that the Tories care about more than Brexit at the moment is how to win the next election. They're on the case and it's why May is still there as they're not ready for a GE yet.
Corbyn might be dead in 3 years.

[northernladyuk]

the only thing missing from that 'demographic' study is the number of people in each age group. Which makes it interesting but NOT demographic.
The only thing that the Tories care about more than Brexit at the moment is how to win the next election. They're on the case and it's why May is still there as they're not ready for a GE yet.
Corbyn might be dead in 3 years.

I thought May was the hill walker.

[northernladyuk]

Boris for Foreign and Commonwealth Office.

By the old Moulmein Pagoda, lookin' eastward to the sea,
There's a Burma girl a-settin', and I know she thinks o' me;
For the wind is in the palm-trees, and the temple-bells they say:
"Come you back, you British soldier; come you back to Mandalay!"
Come you back to Mandalay,
Where the old Flotilla lay:
Can't you 'ear their paddles chunkin' from Rangoon to Mandalay?
On the road to Mandalay,
Where the flyin'-fishes play,
An' the dawn comes up like thunder outer China 'crost the Bay!

'Er petticoat was yaller an' 'er little cap was green,
An' 'er name was Supi-yaw-lat -- jes' the same as Theebaw's Queen,
An' I seed her first a-smokin' of a whackin' white cheroot,
An' a-wastin' Christian kisses on an 'eathen idol's foot:
Bloomin' idol made o'mud --
Wot they called the Great Gawd Budd --
Plucky lot she cared for idols when I kissed 'er where she stud!
On the road to Mandalay . . .

When the mist was on the rice-fields an' the sun was droppin' slow,
She'd git 'er little banjo an' she'd sing "Kulla-lo-lo!"
With 'er arm upon my shoulder an' 'er cheek agin' my cheek
We useter watch the steamers an' the hathis pilin' teak.
Elephints a-pilin' teak
In the sludgy, squdgy creek,
Where the silence 'ung that 'eavy you was 'arf afraid to speak!
On the road to Mandalay . . .

But that's all shove be'ind me -- long ago an' fur away,
An' there ain't no 'busses runnin' from the Bank to Mandalay;
An' I'm learnin' 'ere in London what the ten-year soldier tells:
"If you've 'eard the East a-callin', you won't never 'eed naught else."
No! you won't 'eed nothin' else
But them spicy garlic smells,
An' the sunshine an' the palm-trees an' the tinkly temple-bells;
On the road to Mandalay . . .

I am sick o' wastin' leather on these gritty pavin'-stones,
An' the blasted Henglish drizzle wakes the fever in my bones;
Tho' I walks with fifty 'ousemaids outer Chelsea to the Strand,
An' they talks a lot o' lovin', but wot do they understand?
Beefy face an' grubby 'and --
Law! wot do they understand?
I've a neater, sweeter maiden in a cleaner, greener land!
On the road to Mandalay . . .

Ship me somewheres east of Suez, where the best is like the worst,
Where there aren't no Ten Commandments an' a man can raise a thirst;
For the temple-bells are callin', an' it's there that I would be --
By the old Moulmein Pagoda, looking lazy at the sea;
On the road to Mandalay,
Where the old Flotilla lay,
With our sick beneath the awnings when we went to Mandalay!
On the road to Mandalay,
Where the flyin'-fishes play,
An' the dawn comes up like thunder outer China 'crost the Bay!

Oh.

[sasguru]

the only thing missing from that 'demographic' study is the number of people in each age group. Which makes it interesting but NOT demographic.
The only thing that the Tories care about more than Brexit at the moment is how to win the next election. They're on the case and it's why May is still there as they're not ready for a GE yet.
Corbyn might be dead in 3 years.

As well as the number in each age group, it's the proportion who vote that matters. That info is in there.
If the young turnout grows the Tories are fooked. And Corbyn seems good at doing that.

Dunno if there are more people in the 18-50 age group than 50+ although it's close:

United Kingdom Age structure - Demographics

And Corbyn won't die in 3 years - he's a teetotaller, healthy eater