A Brexit Thread from Someone who Didn't Vote

[motoukenin]

Negotiations haven't yet concluded.
(we could stay in CEN etc, which makes some points moot)

Agreements aren't yet finalised.
(So nobody known if there will be tariffs yet, and what the prices of anything will be yet)

Governments have a duty to improve living standards, oh and food bank use is up whilst we're IN the EU......so shall we put you in a room to explain how that's happening to the JAMS right now?

You call me a theorist, but can I borrow whichever crystal ball you and WTFH are sharing for the lotto numbers?

Food banks are on the increase because the pound has slumped and that makes buying food more expensive, from any country regardless of EU , its happening now and when we actually leave it will not get any better.

Tesco are not going to pay the price increases from importers for 63 million of us because our currency is worth less than it was in 2015.

[BlasterBates]

e.g. something similar to Norway could potentially be agreed;

"CEN rules state that you can only join CEN if you are a member of the EU or about to become a member. In the case of non-EU countries including Norway and Switzerland, their membership in the European Free Trade Association (EFTA) qualifies them as well."

HTH BIDI

Norway is in the single market. I doubt that this would be on offer unless the UK eats EU laws for breakfast which is highly unlikely to be acceptable. Brits need to accept they'll be a bit more "Soviet Union" with less variety in the shops and generally poorer, Lets be honest most Eurosceptics would rather lead a sh*t life.

[Bean]

You’re clueless.

Thanks, but since you've finally agreed (below) that running a business is voluntary (despite you originally missing the point of that statement) - I must have some knowledge, thereby disproving your assertion above. HTH

The biggest issue is not about selling abroad, it’s about selling in the UK or selling to the UK.

That's easy, accept the CE mark - since it's more stringent - you said earlier. HTH

Running a business is voluntary.

Finally and so.....

If it’s not cost effective to trade with or within the UK, then those businesses may voluntarily choose not to trade with or within the UK.

Yes correct, welcome to capitalism

Ask if you need help with basic English.

How would I be able to, if I needed to?

[Bean]

Food banks are on the increase because the pound has slumped and that makes buying food more expensive, from any country regardless of EU , its happening now and when we actually leave it will not get any better.

Tesco are not going to pay the price increases from importers for 63 million of us because our currency is worth less than it was in 2015.

So are you asserting that food bank use has only started since the slump in the pound?,
or are you just asserting there's been an increase due to the slump in the pound?
or neither?


The reason I ask, is that there have been some recent changes to benefits and the taxation system, which most people would expect to have some affect and yet are nothing to do with brexit...


They are welcome to set their prices accordingly and people will buy accordingly to their means, and other providers will be available and competing for business.

[Bee]

e.g. something similar to Norway could potentially be agreed;

"CEN rules state that you can only join CEN if you are a member of the EU or about to become a member. In the case of non-EU countries including Norway and Switzerland, their membership in the European Free Trade Association (EFTA) qualifies them as well."

HTH BIDI

Other countries can use the make to export to EU but will be subject to a supervision. Any country in the EU could and should supervise at the entrance the products imported from the EU.

[Bean]

Norway is in the single market. I doubt that this would be on offer unless the UK eats EU laws for breakfast which is highly unlikely to be acceptable. Brits need to accept they'll be a bit more "Soviet Union" with less variety in the shops and generally poorer, Lets be honest most Eurosceptics would rather lead a sh*t life.

Negotiations are ongoing
Agreements are tbc

Let's be honest and simply say nobody knows the future, including you

[Bean]

Other countries can use the make to export to EU but will be subject to a supervision. Any country in the EU could and should supervise at the entrance the products imported from the EU.

Yes, but the point was to be able to reduce the multiple standards stamping red tape.....if you're going to play, please keep up.

[Bee]

Yes, but the point was to be able to reduce the multiple standards stamping red tape.....if you're going to play, please keep up.

What are you talking about?

[WTFH]

That's easy, accept the CE mark - since it's more stringent - you said earlier. HTH

Or maybe I said the exact opposite.

Most products sold in/to the EU will only have a CE mark on them. The exceptions will be where a specific country has tighter standards than the European ones, in which case both marks may appear, or where Europe does not have a standard - in which case the product is only approved for sale in one country.

The current hierarchy for Europe is:
ISO/IEC - International
CEN - European
BSI/DIN/etc - Country specific.

There are not standards at ISO level for everything.
In most cases the country-specific standard gets discussed among the CEN group and is then adopted as CEN standards.
So you will see, for example, BS EN 12195, but there isn’t an equivalent of BS1192. Then there’s ISO 13567, which is similar to BS1192, but if there is a difference between the two standards, then in the UK BS1192 overrides ISO 13567.

[Bean]

What are you talking about?

Exactly. My statement that you originally quoted was directed at somebody else, as part of an ongoing conversation which, you haven't familiarised yourself with.