Okay - I was wrong on Brexit

[BlasterBates]

Well there will still be freedom of movement after Brexit

Freedom of movement to continue, but work permits required after Brexit

OK so a work permit us required, but basically since there are no indigenous Brits to do the work, simply because of demographics i.e. everyone retiring, this will effectively mean no change to EU immigration, i.e. UK companies recruit, EU immigrants come without a visa, rubber stamp of approval from the local immigration office.

This does sound very much like Switzerland.

What this means of course is, if you voted to reduce EU immigration it aint going to happen.

[sasguru]

It does not really take a genius to recognise that someone arriving on these shores with only the clothes they stand up in will take a while to become a net contributor to the economy.

Obviously hard facts and figures are useful but a very basic thought experiment would get you to the right conclusion.

Ahh I see the problem now.

Its probably in the words basic and thought.

Honestly, you're pulling up someone for lack of brains?

Plemnty of immigrants contribute more than you, I'll wager

These people for example, who "arrived on these shores with only the clothes they stood up in":
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2012/1...n-for-success/

[WTFH]

twaddle.
They spend a LOT of time in placement doing actual nursing. They qualify as nurses to be nurses and can do that. Health is one of the few university educations that allows you to go straight into your profession once you've graduated.

They don't change bedpans though. It was decided some years ago that menial work should be done by lower paid people and nurses should get more money. That may or may not have been the right decision, as the menial work needs doing, it's just done by thick twunts with no better education.

Not twaddle at all.
It used to be you had SRNs and Ward Sisters. Neither of those people spent 3 years in a university. "Project 2000" saw the end of hospital teaching and moved everything to universities. That was from the late 80s...
http://www.nhshistory.net/chapter_5.htm#Project_2000

Now to be a nurse you need a bachelor's degree.
https://www.plymouth.ac.uk/courses/u...-nursing-adult

Thankfully some of the mistakes from Project 2000 are being rectified as the government have realised that the NMC maybe know what they are talking about.

The UK needs about 10,000 new nurses each year. We have university places for around 12,000, but most years 1/3 drop out before completion.
So we have 8,000 new nurses each year coming out of UK universities (that is not to say they are British citizens or even enough generations old British citizens to be acceptable to some on here)
Of those 8,000 many do not go on to pursue a career in the NHS, move away from nursing altogether, or return to their home countries.

7% of nurses in England are from the EU
5.6% are from Asia (mostly India and the Philippines)
2.4% are from Africa
0.7% are from elsewhere
(based on the briefing made in the House of Commons in April 2017)

[OwlHoot]

Honestly, you're pulling up someone for lack of brains?

Plemnty of immigrants contribute more than you, I'll wager

These people for example, who "arrived on these shores with only the clothes they stood up in":
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2012/1...n-for-success/

There are probably literally a thousand million people world-wide who individually could "contribute more than average" in the UK given a chance. But there's no way they could all be allowed into the UK.

So it's a specious and unsustainable argument if taken to its logical extreme, and in any case letting in too many immigrants deprives indigenous people of opportunities, and that must be our first and last consideration.

[darmstadt]

Let's have an 'oh dear' because it is rather sad: Brexit blamed for 260 job losses as UK food supplier Southern Salads collapses into administration | The Independent

[BrilloPad]

Let's have an 'oh dear' because it is rather sad: Brexit blamed for 260 job losses as UK food supplier Southern Salads collapses into administration | The Independent

The devalued currency has made imports more expensive, cutting into the margins of many British businesses and making some unsustainable.

So now we will have to buy British.

I think this calls for a

[sasguru]

So it's a specious and unsustainable argument if taken to its logical extreme, and in any case letting in too many immigrants deprives indigenous people of opportunities, and that must be our first and last consideration.

So you've made the calculation that Brexit will provide more opportunities for the indigenous population?
You do sound like someone who's spent the bulk of your life in the public sector.

[shaunbhoy]

You do sound like someone who's spent the bulk of your life in the public sector.

Says the man that has spent the bulk of his life tied to wifie's coattails!

[BrilloPad]

Says the man that has spent the bulk of his life tied to wifie's coattails!

Not true! Quite a bit was Mummie's apron strings.

[WTFH]

Not true! Quite a bit was Mummie's apron strings.

Are you saying he was um... with your mum?