[Merged]Brexit stuff (part 2)

[PurpleGorilla]

[Merged]Brexit stuff (part 2)

Time for part 3?

[GB9]

As opposed to Royal privilege, an unelected head of state with a unelected house of lords passing law as they see fit?

What are you smoking?

How the European Union works

Cleary you've not got a clue. Part of the reason why the UK dislikes the EU so much is because all states are entitled to say in how the organisation is run. Rather like AV (Alternative voting) members of different governments throughout the EU are able to introduce MEPs. We vote for those governments.

So when the UK decides to leave Brexit members chant 'see I told you so, slinging mud at us' - What the hell did you expect? Bye Bye, we'll miss you? Don't forget to write?

This chap sums it up nicely, it's the likely future to come.


"How can you say that the EU has adopted a tough stance on the UK ?? The EU has said again and again that they wish the UK to stay in. The EU has been asked to negotiate time and time again for 2 years with Cameron before the referendum and did bend a few rules. Now, the UK decides to EXIT but has not yet officially asked to leave (no article 50 yet). Who is tough with who here? Can't you see that the UK is the one leaving the club? The EU can only say "Sorry to see you go and by-bye". What else do you want the EU to say?

Now my analysis of Trumps victory is that the UK is more isolated than ever. Leaving the EU club, with little hope to strike a free trade deal with the US, the horizon is dark.

And if the Brexiters strike a free trade deal with India or China, you will replace Polish workers with Indians or Chinese, and the price of manufacturing in these 2 countries being 10% of the UK wages, you will kill all UK manufacturing. Just a reminder that China and India combined have a population of 3 billion people,, 50 times the UK population.

Who is the giant , who is the dwarf?"

I haven't been smoking anything but I wouldn't mind trying some of whatever you and your mate who you are quoting are on. It seems to take you to planet LA LA.

I know how the EU works. I know how Juncker was elected and that neither the UK or the Germans could veto him.

And that he got elected by promising to redistribute the wealth of the richer countries to the poorer. What was the name of the other bloke who did that? Oh yes, Blatter. Corrupt or what?

All countries have a say and most get ignored. You need to look at how things actually work, not what the PR department kicks out.

One of the reasons we hate the EU is that it is so backwards in wanting to introduce socialism across the states. To equalise everyone down to the lowest common denominator. By increasing youth unemployment to the same level across the whole of the EU. By looking to control what individual countries are allowed to do 'for the common good'. Really, there is so much wrong to hate about the organisation.

But rather than stopping there your sort try to claim it's about racism and xenophobia because quite honestly you haven't got a decent argument for anything good about the EU. It's probably too difficult for someone like yourself with a really simple mind to understand, but you can like countries and their inhabitants without wanting to be exactly like them or indeed controlled by them. If you ever get invited to someone's house for dinner do you expect to tell them how they are allowed to behave in their own house? I hope not.

The EU did absolutely nothing to stop us leaving. Juncker's idea of giving ground was to allow an extra biscuit with the local coffee. The arrogant and obnoxious attitue backfired on them. It's already been pointed out that a hard brexit will cost the EU £8bn / yr more than the UK in tariffs. THeir loss.

Try reading this to understand what the EU is really like, how it works, and what it didn't do to help Cameron. The EU has got itself into this mess and will pay for it unless they backtrack very quickly. It also seems to have really peed off Trump, so good luck with trade deals there.

[PurpleGorilla]

I haven't been smoking anything but I wouldn't mind trying some of whatever you and your mate who you are quoting are on. It seems to take you to planet LA LA.

I know how the EU works. I know how Juncker was elected and that neither the UK or the Germans could veto him.

And that he got elected by promising to redistribute the wealth of the richer countries to the poorer. What was the name of the other bloke who did that? Oh yes, Blatter. Corrupt or what?

All countries have a say and most get ignored. You need to look at how things actually work, not what the PR department kicks out.

One of the reasons we hate the EU is that it is so backwards in wanting to introduce socialism across the states. To equalise everyone down to the lowest common denominator. By increasing youth unemployment to the same level across the whole of the EU. By looking to control what individual countries are allowed to do 'for the common good'. Really, there is so much wrong to hate about the organisation.

But rather than stopping there your sort try to claim it's about racism and xenophobia because quite honestly you haven't got a decent argument for anything good about the EU. It's probably too difficult for someone like yourself with a really simple mind to understand, but you can like countries and their inhabitants without wanting to be exactly like them or indeed controlled by them. If you ever get invited to someone's house for dinner do you expect to tell them how they are allowed to behave in their own house? I hope not.

The EU did absolutely nothing to stop us leaving. Juncker's idea of giving ground was to allow an extra biscuit with the local coffee. The arrogant and obnoxious attitue backfired on them. It's already been pointed out that a hard brexit will cost the EU £8bn / yr more than the UK in tariffs. THeir loss.

Try reading this to understand what the EU is really like, how it works, and what it didn't do to help Cameron. The EU has got itself into this mess and will pay for it unless they backtrack very quickly. It also seems to have really peed off Trump, so good luck with trade deals there.

GB9 thanks for sharing the article from Daniel Korski - deputy director of the policy unit in David Cameron’s government.

Very insightful from the perspective of No10.

Also astoundingly introspective. The writer comes across as someone who considers themselves out and out intellectually superior to the the electorate; and that their views are right, and those who differ, wrong. It neatly illustrates how disconnected the London bubble is, and how patronising it sees little England.

Still, a good read; combine it with an equal from the vote leave campaign and we will be getting closer to the truth. Also a view from the EU on the inside would be fascinating to read.

[GB9]

GB9 thanks for sharing the article from Daniel Korski - deputy director of the policy unit in David Cameron’s government.

Very insightful from the perspective of No10.

Also astoundingly introspective. The writer comes across as someone who considers themselves out and out intellectually superior to the the electorate; and that their views are right, and those who differ, wrong. It neatly illustrates how disconnected the London bubble is, and how patronising it sees little England.

Still, a good read; combine it with an equal from the vote leave campaign and we will be getting closer to the truth. Also a view from the EU on the inside would be fascinating to read.

Thanks for highlighting the detail and the author. I should have done that myself.

As you noted, this was a bloke on the side of a government actively trying to stay within the EU. At a time when it really needed help from the EU Commission and leaders it was told in no uncertain terms to go forth.

The arrogance and stupidity of the Commission and EU leadership is breathtaking. The idea that the British people will do what they are told and fall in line is staggering. The EU's downfall will be of its own making.

Can anyone believe they are having a special conference to discuss the implications of Trump as the leader of the US? Talk about shooting yourselves in both feet and the sphericals at the same time.

[darmstadt]

I was under the impression that people voted Brexit and Trump because they were against globalisation, obviously not: https://www.theguardian.com/politics...trump-election

[GB9]

I was under the impression that people voted Brexit and Trump because they were against globalisation, obviously not: https://www.theguardian.com/politics...trump-election

Have you been smoking Scooter's baccy this morning? Which bit of us wanting global trade deals did you miss? It's the EU that is inward looking. Wasting time trying to centralise everything while the rest of us want to look further afield.

[PurpleGorilla]

I was under the impression that people voted Brexit and Trump because they were against globalisation, obviously not: https://www.theguardian.com/politics...trump-election

Free trade was great (eg EEC), it's all the other political union carp that comes with it.

[MrMarkyMark]

Try reading this to understand what the EU is really like, how it works, and what it didn't do to help Cameron.

Very interesting and in depth article, thanks for sharing.

[vetran]

Free trade was great (eg EEC), it's all the other political union carp that comes with it.

I don't know why the bremainers have such difficulty with the concept. We voted for a common market then they tried to make it a superstate.

[scooterscot]

But rather than stopping there your sort try to claim it's about racism and xenophobia because quite honestly you haven't got a decent argument for anything good about the EU.

No conflicts or war between member states for 80 years.

Freedom of movement between member states. Work in any EU country tomorrow.

Perhaps you'd prefer bloodshed then the UK would have someone else to sell weapons to other than the Saudis.