[Merged]Brexit stuff (part 2)

[GB9]

Why do we need it removed?

Because we want to control who comes through our borders.

[WTFH]

Because we want to control who comes through our borders.

So are you saying we don't have any control over our borders at the minute?


Over half of the immigration into the UK comes from outside the EU, so leaving the EU will not change how we control the borders for them, will it?

[PurpleGorilla]

So are you saying we don't have any control over our borders at the minute?


Over half of the immigration into the UK comes from outside the EU, so leaving the EU will not change how we control the borders for them, will it?

There are huge domestic issues, once the smoke screen of the EU has dissipated, the indivisible accountability of Westminster will be entirely transparent.

[shaunbhoy]

Fancy that, 33% of leavers want an Irish border and return of The Troubles.

See? There you go again. Proposing that the Irish border being re-introduced would undoubtedly result in a resumption of the Troubles.

You really need to step back from placing these ridiculous caveats on every claim you make.

As if your claims were not speculative at best, you reduce their chances of being taken even remotely seriously by introducing wildly implausible add-ons.

Why do you feel the need to do this? Is it because you feel that, taken in isolation, the points you try and make are ostensibly so weak?

I think we should be told.

[GB9]

So are you saying we don't have any control over our borders at the minute?


Over half of the immigration into the UK comes from outside the EU, so leaving the EU will not change how we control the borders for them, will it?

We don't control who comes over from the EU as you well know. EU passport holders have a right to enter the UK unless we have a specific reason to stop them.

[SueEllen]

Ireland like the UK has control of it's borders.

The issue that once you get a visa for Ireland OR the UK you can in theory walk across the Northern Irish border into the other country.

[BlasterBates]

Ireland like the UK has control of it's borders.

The issue that once you get a visa for Ireland OR the UK you can in theory walk across the Northern Irish border into the other country.

Which makes a complete mockery of the assertion that the UK gets back control of its borders.

[vetran]

So are you saying we don't have any control over our borders at the minute?


Over half of the immigration into the UK comes from outside the EU, so leaving the EU will not change how we control the borders for them, will it?

EU migration before 2002 was negligible. So the reaction is to the massive increase since Eastern Europe joined.

Have a play with make a chart below.

https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/sta...on-statistics/


None EU migration has also increased but that is a different issue we can't blame the EU for that.

[WTFH]

EU passport holders have a right to enter the UK unless we have a specific reason to stop them.

And in the future will EU passport holders require a visa to enter the UK?

[sasguru]

It is entirely the UK's fault that the influx of EU nationals occurred:

1. By not taking advantage of the transitional arrangements that delayed FoM and were designed exactly to stop such a sudden inflow.

and

2. By not putting barriers in e.g. requirement for private health insurance. This latter restriction is totally allowed under EU FoM and would have stopped all the lower waged EU nationals from coming. Simples.

Instead we've swung from one extreme to another and will most likely destroy our economy in the process.