Why you will want to vote Brexit

[BlasterBates]

they will quietly wait at the border to be processed and sent to outer mongolia any suggestion we have no control over them in the EU is obviously idiotic.

So what your suggesting is they'll come into Calais and pop over illegally.

and a Brexit will change this in what way ? make illegal immigrants illegal

[LondonManc]

So what your suggesting is they'll come into Calais and pop over illegally.

and a Brexit will change this in what way ? make illegal immigrants illegal

A Brexit would mean that we don't have to bend over and take an EU shafting; no over ruling, etc.

That said, I've yet to see a convincing argument from either side about what will happen if we leave. The Remain campaign prefixes messages of doom with "could" and "might". The Leave campaign highlights having control back. The only definitive positives I've seen for either side are for Leave:
Call Me Dave and Gideon get shafted
Our fishermen get their waters back

[Mordac]

F--- Goldman Sachs

Who Loses the Most From ‘Brexit’? Try Goldman Sachs - WSJ

Among those leading the charge is Goldman Sachs. For three years, the bank’s executives have publicly warned about the downsides of leaving the EU. The bank has donated around $700,000 to a group which is lobbying against Brexit, according to a person familiar with the matter. Its executives have signed warning letters to major British newspapers. An EU flag currently flutters above its London headquarters. Last fall the bank organized events on the sidelines of opposition Labour and governing Conservative party conferences to debate the role of the U.K. in Europe.

During the annual meeting of the World Economic Forum in January in Switzerland, Gary Cohn, president of Goldman Sachs, reiterated a well-rehearsed warning. “It is imperative for the U.K. to keep the financial-services industry in the U.K.,” he said, adding, “I don’t know what would replace that industry.”

The advocacy by U.S. banks has antagonized those, often at smaller brokers or hedge funds, who say the U.K. financial sector would be less heavily regulated outside the EU and thrive. “Why would the Americans be interested in what is good for the U.K.?” said Howard Shore, executive chairman of Shore Capital Group PLC, an investment group. “They are interested in what is good for their bank.”

Vote Brexit and sink the dirty spekulative US banks!

Who gives a flying wotsit what these arses think. I have my own reasons for voting out, it's a shame that these charlatans may benefit, but that's something I will have to just live with...

[jamesbrown]

When you say we have to be part of an ever closer Union, in what way ?

We're not part of the Euro, we won't be part of a European army, there's no plan to create a European NHS, nor is there a plan to create a European education authority, and there is also no plan to unify criminal law. or create a European police force. There is also no plan to unify taxation apart from minimum rates on VAT which Norway agrees to and they're talking about abolishing, and the UK has an exemption from Schengen.

What exactly do you mean? if we stay what will we be part of that Norway isn't? and surely if the UK gets an exemption from the Euro won't it also get an exemption for anything else similar ?

IMO, it's less about what legislation we may be able to opt out of in future, and more about tying ourselves, indefinitely, into a union that itself admits the need for much closer fiscal (and, therefore, political) integration. A vote to Remain, is an endorsement of that process, regardless of what "opt outs" hamface pretends we might have. Fundamentally, the union will be driven, increasingly, by what makes sense for the Eurozone. This is one reason that I weigh the short-term arguments (e.g. market panic) much less than the long-term ones, because the problems for Remain are in the long-term. Inevitably, the longer we remain in the EU, the more closely connected we'll be (not just through primary and secondary legislation, but through administrative rules than can be imposed without new legislation; this is the difference between the ~13% and ~62% figures on EU-connected legislation from the HoC library). The amount of legislation/rules emanating from a central, administrative, body never goes down, only up. And it will increasingly need to protect the Eurozone.

The question is whether it really matters, in or out. We can't geographically remove ourselves from the European continent. Whatever happens in the Eurozone will happen to us. But the further away we are when it inevitably implodes, the better. Others argue that we're better in, because that implosion is less likely or might be delayed. I don't think so, because the union is structurally flawed and we have only modest influence over it.

Anyone under the illusion that there will be wholesale change following a vote to Leave is probably deluded. For example, there's very little chance that this will actually result in a reduction in immigration. However, at the very least, it will expose a lot of the crap spouted by successive governments about our degree of control over immigration and other areas for which the EU is often used as a scapegoat to our own incompetence. In other words, there will be fewer layers to hide behind, which may motivate the electorate to reject more of the same (or not ).

[DimPrawn]

Mordac!

I thought MF killed you and buried you under his patio?

[Mordac]

Serious point (hopefully)

Think about the various bits of the EU, and come up with a convincing argument as to which ones actually work.
Migration Policy: Basically buggered, no-one knows who's going where or doing what.
Agricultural Policy: Designed by the French for the French. Therefore totally buggered by default.
Fisheries Policy: See previous answer (although replace French with Spanish)
EU Convention on Human Rights: Great if you're a terrorist, but of sod all use to the rest of us.
Trade: The UK is the 2nd largest export market for the German economy. Germany runs the EU, let's face it, and if there's one thing the Germans are NOT, it's stupid. As an American might say, you do the maths.
Tax: Basically buggered. Nominally the corp tax rate in Luxembourg is 29%, but the key is what can be written off. Almost no company pays more than about 12%, so if tax is the reason to stay in the EU, you're looking in the wrong place (and at the wrong argument).
Economy: Thanks to Greece / Spain / Italy / Ireland / Portugal etc. see previous answer.

Any other suggestions which I can knock down?

[jamesbrown]

EU Convention on Human Rights: Great if you're a terrorist, but of sod all use to the rest of us.

It's actually worse than this. The EU Charter operates alongside the European Convention, which is ridiculously complicated (the former extends the latter). The former receives its power through the EU institutions (notably the ECJ), which allows a lot of the "crap" associated with the Charter to override British laws.

[OwlHoot]

The Conservative party will fall apart, I think that's pretty clear and we can see in the recent polls, Corbyn is making headway, with a broken Conservative party should be a wheeze. People are getting used to him.

Or perhaps Boris Johnson will step into the breach.

Or maybe the Labour party will see sensesanity in time and vote for Kate Hoey as leader.

Hoey is a Eurosceptic and libertarian, and has often rebelled against her party.[3] She was a prominent critic of the ban on handguns[4] and supporter of fox hunting[4] and has voted against government policy on the war in Iraq, foundation hospitals, university tuition and top-up fees, ID cards and extended detention without trial. She was a leading Labour rebel supporting a referendum on the EU Lisbon Treaty.[5] Hoey has also opposed the smoking ban in clubs and pubs, reclassification of cannabis from a Class B to Class C and originally opposed devolution. She also favours stricter controls on immigration, tougher welfare reform, withdrawal from the European Union, English Votes for English Laws, grammar schools, marriage tax allowances, free schools and academies. She is a critic of the BBC and she also spoke in support of the election of unionist MPs in Northern Ireland. It has been suggested that because of her own political positions, she might defect to Conservative Party[6][7][8] or even UKIP[9] but Hoey has refused to do so.

[OwlHoot]

As someone said travel is the only way to spend money and come back richer.

Were they working as an all expenses paid travel rep for Thomas Cook?

Someone else said "Travel may broaden the mind, but it narrows the wallet"

[vetran]

So what your suggesting is they'll come into Calais and pop over illegally.

and a Brexit will change this in what way ? make illegal immigrants illegal

nope it will make them the EU's problem, we can just pull up the drawbridge.