HMT Review for public sector client?

[malvolio]

Precisely!

If we all did that they'd be right in the tulip!

No, they merely outsource to offshore providers or give it to people with fewer scruples. 40% of work is Public Sector, why should we be closed off from it? And why should they be denied access to the best resources?

[Sausage Surprise]

No, they merely outsource to offshore providers - doubtful because of the public outcry. Also offshore isn't that cheap anymore.

or give it to people with fewer scruples - my point

. 40% of work is Public Sector - source ?

why should we be closed off from it - see my point again. We won't be if we stick together.

? And why should they be denied access to the best resources? - err... because of the tulip we are getting or haven't you read the original post?

[cojak]

No, they merely outsource to offshore providers or give it to people with fewer scruples. 40% of work is Public Sector, why should we be closed off from it? And why should they be denied access to the best resources?

It has nothing to do with scruples - it's purely down to risk management.

[malvolio]

It has nothing to do with scruples - it's purely down to risk management.

Wrong word perhaps. "Scruples" as in "I am happy to pay IR35 whether it applies to me or not" or "I work through an umbrella so I don't care anyway". As opposed to "I'll be buggered if I'll pay taxes I don't owe".

[mudskipper]

"I'll be buggered if I'll pay taxes I don't owe".

I thought that was what happened if you didn't pay taxes you did owe.

[DaveB]

Wrong word perhaps. "Scruples" as in "I am happy to pay IR35 whether it applies to me or not" or "I work through an umbrella so I don't care anyway". As opposed to "I'll be buggered if I'll pay taxes I don't owe".

Still not right. I'm working a PS contract ATM and have been for the last 18 months. I'm outside IR35, have jumped through the hoops of the PS review, provided the information asked for and had the box ticked to carry on.

Most of the big departments don't have the time or resources to do anything but tick the box that says the BET was low risk or the contract review was passed for IR35 and leave it at that.

[bracken]

A QDOS review is fine

I went through all this palaver a couple of monte back (I actually left the PS over it) but one thing that was confirmed before I left was that for the Cabinet Office at least, the QDOS review was deemed to be acceptable evidence of being outside of IR35.

[Wanderer]

The default approach would be to jump straight to Route 2 regardless of the client's requirements and if the review deems the gig to be within IR35 then you have the choice to either walk away or start paying yourself a full salary (that is, stop taking divi's).

In my case, I think I would walk away.

Agreed - walk away but only IF the contract is IR35 caught.

If the contract is reviewed and found to be OUTSIDE IR35 then you have the co-operation of the client to produce a "confirmation of working arrangements" document which is a good thing because you can use it for your IR35 defence if it's ever required...

[DirtyDog]

Agreed - walk away but only IF the contract is IR35 caught and you cannot negotiate a big enough increase to cover that additional liability.

FTFY