I always knew we were right....

[malvolio]

And, I for one am well aware how HMRC think.

You may well do. Others clearly don't.

And what's with the ? Can't you handle a reasoned debate?

[NotAllThere]

"Just because something is legal doesn't make it right".

For example, HMRC have had the law changed retrospectively. That's not right, but it seems to be turning out to be legal.

Conversely, using artificial set ups to dodge tax is viewed by many people as not right, even if it is legal. If you are one of the people who've used these schemes, I'd stick to arguing about the apparent retrospective application of tax law. You'll get sympathy and support for that. Arguing that you "never dun nuffink wrong" may technically be true, but it is something you should steer clear of - it's a hiding to nothing.

[eek]

"Just because something is legal doesn't make it right".

For example, HMRC have had the law changed retrospectively. That's not right, but it seems to be turning out to be legal.

Conversely, using artificial set ups to dodge tax is viewed by many people as not right, even if it is legal. If you are one of the people who've used these schemes, I'd stick to arguing about the apparent retrospective application of tax law. You'll get sympathy and support for that. Arguing that you "never dun nuffink wrong" may technically be true, but itis something you should steer clear of - it's a hiding to nothing.

WNATS. Fight over the retrospective but the general public look at artificial constructs and think either self inflicted, no sympathy or how dare they pay less than I do.

And it's not as if you are providing cheap books or goods for the public to buy as they complain about the tax dodging.

[BrilloPad]

Please explain the contradiction. Mal's argument is that these schemes serve no commercial purpose whatsoever and are engineered purely, and deliberately, to avoid tax, using whatever convoluted means may be necessary. Furthermore, as Lisa points out, they are entirely against the spirit of the law. It's absolutely right that HMRC should both clarify their position and take any steps necessary to determine whether specific schemes were legal at the time. No, I do not agree with retrospective changes to the law. But I think it's entirely reasonable that HMRC act against convoluted schemes that serve no commercial purpose and provide guidance to those that might otherwise, in listening to the biased opinions of scheme operators and their QCs, take an entirely different view on risk.

I have already explained as much as I can. You are not much of a troll - 1/10.

[BrilloPad]

You may well do. Others clearly don't.

And what's with the ? Can't you handle a reasoned debate?

Clearly you can't. Still sniggering with your PCG mates?

[malvolio]

Clearly you can't. Still sniggering with your PCG mates?

At least I don't resort to schoolboy graphics and personal insults, nor do I tell blatant untruths to make a point. This is a professional forum, perhaps if you treated it as such you would get more support.

As regards PCG, I'm not going to respond, beyond saying I never said anything to weaken your case (quite the opposite, I tried to get PCG to take up the whole BN66 case) so whichever of your sneaky little friends told you that is talking bollocks.

HTH. BIDI.

[BrilloPad]

At least I don't resort to schoolboy graphics and personal insults, nor do I tell blatant untruths to make a point. This is a professional forum, perhaps if you treated it as such you would get more support.

As regards PCG, I'm not going to respond, beyond saying I never said anything to weaken your case (quite the opposite, I tried to get PCG to take up the whole BN66 case) so whichever of your sneaky little friends told you that is talking bollocks.

HTH. BIDI.

I was on the PCG forum when I saw what you were writing. You resorted to personal insults about me so I had to change my username. If you can't take it then you should not dish it out.

I have told no untrurths unlike you. I have requested that this is moved to general. I have suffered untold misery due to this case including divorce - there has already been one suicide. How many suicides must there be before you stop trolling?

As for support I don't represent NTRT. I was booted out as too extreme. I represent the real NTRT and we will have our say before this is out.

[malvolio]

I was on the PCG forum when I saw what you were writing. You resorted to personal insults about me so I had to change my username. If you can't take it then you should not dish it out.

I have told no untrurths unlike you. I have requested that this is moved to general. I have suffered untold misery due to this case including divorce - there has already been one suicide. How many suicides must there be before you stop trolling?

As for support I don't represent NTRT. I was booted out as too extreme. I represent the real NTRT and we will have our say before this is out.

This is well off topic and utterly pointless, so I'm not prolonging this any further. However I'm intrigued by your accusations and will dig out and re-read whatever it was I wrote that caused you to flag a formal complaint immediately on joining the PCG and one that was not upheld.

[BrilloPad]

This is well off topic and utterly pointless, so I'm not prolonging this any further. However I'm intrigued by your accusations and will dig out and re-read whatever it was I wrote that caused you to flag a formal complaint immediately on joining the PCG and one that was not upheld.

To help you out, I left Montpelier in 2008 and rejoined the PCG as BrilloPad. You had started as thread "the closure notices are coming in and they are starting to whine" or somesuch, with a link to cuk, and everyone was having a good laugh at those about to be made bankrupt and commit suicide.

I also found a link to cuk which you had posted pointing out that I was going to join PCG. I had joined as BrilloPad and got the membership secretary to change my name to BlackCat.

No doubt your PCG buddies found you not guilty - but that is not the same as an independent view.

JUst go back to PCG and have a laugh at the suffering of others.

[cojak]

I'm not going to lock this thread but I will delete posts that continue with this spat.

Just to let you know.