No To Retro Tax – Campaign Against Section 58 Finance Act 2008

[foolishboy]

Naming and Shaming the “Morally Repugnant” David Gauke - Guy Fawkes' blog

[MishiMoo]

He didn't even put up a fight.

Guake said nothing apart from that other tax payers wouldn't like it.
Since when does that dictate the law.

Guake didn't address the Lamont question.

Baker just bent over and basically said, "Well you gave it your attention. I'm grateful that you let us know your views so I would seek to withdraw"

huh?

My cynical take on all this is that Baker is a patsy who has been permitted - by ministers, guided by civil servants - to put forward this amendment so as to shut us all up. Anyone who from now on raises the matter again can / will simply be met with "oh, yes, I totally agree, this [retrospective taxation] is wrong, but this matter was all debated by the committee and the proposed amendment was even withdrawn by its proposer after hearing the government's view, so that's the end of that". Please will someone tell me that I am wrong?

[Ninja]

My cynical take on all this is that Baker is a patsy who has been permitted - by ministers, guided by civil servants - to put forward this amendment so as to shut us all up. Anyone who from now on raises the matter again can / will simply be met with "oh, yes, I totally agree, this [retrospective taxation] is wrong, but this matter was all debated by the committee and the proposed amendment was even withdrawn by its proposer after hearing the government's view, so that's the end of that". Please will someone tell me that I am wrong?

Sadly, after having just heard the debate, I think that you're right. If anyone in future raises this with Gauke he'll just point us back to the withdrawal of NC1.

I sincerely hope that the next NTRT communication is really positive, because I'm in need of some cheering up

[lucozade]

My cynical take on all this is that Baker is a patsy who has been permitted - by ministers, guided by civil servants - to put forward this amendment so as to shut us all up. Anyone who from now on raises the matter again can / will simply be met with "oh, yes, I totally agree, this [retrospective taxation] is wrong, but this matter was all debated by the committee and the proposed amendment was even withdrawn by its proposer after hearing the government's view, so that's the end of that". Please will someone tell me that I am wrong?

I'd like to think some MPs are there to represent their constituents and not be influence by this HMRC/Cauke propaganda.

[ready_to_leave]

I'd like to think some MPs are there to represent their constituents and not be influence by this HMRC/Cauke propaganda.

HaHaHAHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHAHaHa

no really

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I assume you are thinking of a different country altogether. Maybe Lapland. I hear if we all get together and write off to our representative there our letters will get a fair hearing.

[smalldog]

Sadly, after having just heard the debate, I think that you're right. If anyone in future raises this with Gauke he'll just point us back to the withdrawal of NC1.

I sincerely hope that the next NTRT communication is really positive, because I'm in need of some cheering up

Afraid I share your fears. Not sure i can now see how any appeal can do anything, if it were me arguing against us, I would say high courts say you're wrong, parliament has looked at the legislation twice and not over turned it.

Difficult mountain to climb in my view. But hey I don't know what the next step is, maybe this is just a bad news hangover.

[silver_lining]

enough

Sorry guys - but for me enough is enough .... like a lot of people on here.... I don't pretend to understand mainstream politics... but equally I understand I, like all have a finite time in this world and this is not an item I feel that is genuinely going to save humanity no matter how important or wrong it seems..

So personally I am not going to throw what I feel is good money after bad anymore... I will take it on the chin....


so what does it say about the UK (btw this is no revelation for me personally, having a legal background...but - its kind of funny at a basic level, we are no worse than any third world operation in how we operate - we just don't rip hearts out on TV/radio or therewise metaphorically and legally we do the exactly the same thing.....

GLA

what a load of trip...

DR & Co....sorry, but good luck in your quest, I wish you the best and will support in the future in any way I can.....

[smalldog]

Sorry guys - but for me enough is enough .... like a lot of people on here.... I don't pretend to understand mainstream politics... but equally I understand I, like all have a finite time in this world and this is not an item I feel that is genuinely going to save humanity no matter how important or wrong it seems..

So personally I am not going to throw what I feel is good money after bad anymore... I will take it on the chin....


so what does it say about the UK (btw this is no revelation for me personally, having a legal background...but - its kind of funny at a basic level, we are no worse than any third world operation in how we operate - we just don't rip hearts out on TV/radio or therewise metaphorically and legally we do the exactly the same thing.....

GLA

what a load of trip...

DR & Co....sorry, but good luck in your quest, I wish you the best and will support in the future in any way I can.....

SL, I understand how u feel. I've just had a Baby daughter and I don't want any of this to detract from my precious time with her. So in a lot of ways I'm in "bring it on" mode after today, lets get it over with so I can watch my daughter grow up without this hanging over me. Personally, I've spent 5 years checking this site, that's a lot of life if you add it all up and i don't want to spend another 5 checking forums only to feel disappointed every few months. Each to their own of course.

[screwthis]

Sadly, after having just heard the debate, I think that you're right. If anyone in future raises this with Gauke he'll just point us back to the withdrawal of NC1.

I sincerely hope that the next NTRT communication is really positive, because I'm in need of some cheering up

Certainly seems that way.

It's exactly what he did in his response; attributed his change of heart to the Judicial Review.

[screwthis]

One more thing then I'll give it a rest

One of Gauke's arguments was that it didn't matter whether the retro element was repealed or not as HMRC believed we would still be defeated under pre s58 law.
He said that repealing it would make no difference to us and we would have to pay either way therefore the retro was not actually harming anyone.

If Baker was not a patsy then he would have jumped on this and said, "well if it makes no difference then why was retro necessary at all and why not repeal it if they are going to end up paying anyway?"

I guess the NC1 patsy tactic was quite clever but it's astounding how badly it was executed. No counter arguments, no pressing to answer the questions, nothing. Just err... ok then just forget it.

They can get away with it because no one except us is going to hear that farce.
Compare that to the bickering of a televised commons debate.

I'd like to stick Paxman on Gauke.