BN66 - Court of Appeal and beyond

[moira under the stairs]

There's a great deal of speculation on this forum at the moment, but that's all it is - speculation.

We can guess what's going to happen, but the truth is, all we have to go on is a letter from HMRC who do not have our best interests at heart.

At the same time, Montpelier have been very poor on the communication front. They may very well be working on something, but by now at least a holding letter should have been sent informing us of the situation.

Agree... its all conjecture, waiting can be unnerving, but I think I prefer a wait for the right kind of response than a quick letter stating I'm screwed... what I don't want is a long wait telling me I'm screwed.

[smalldog]

Bored of repeating myself

Sigh....I'm getting bored of repeating myself but feel I must as it doesn't seem to be sinking in! In hmrcs previous news letter they stated that in preparation for the sc challenge failing they we preparing to take cases through the tax courts. Until that's run it's course nothing at least in theory should happen. I suspect mp are in discussions with hmrc to agree these steps

[swede]

I understand the negativity surrounding our plight. I face ruin, without any uncertainty. I'm sure I'm not alone. I've resigned myself that if the worst comes to the worse, my house, car, and miserable pension contributions will probably be lost, I will be bankrupt and out of work. I say this with a heart heavier than lead. I try to suppress my urge to rant and wish harm to those who have done this to us, but it does require a lot of effort, and more so as the months tick on.

That said, we know MPs were bound to allow the legal process to conclude before they would entertain any involvement. We know that both a large collection of MPs and the JCHR all voiced opposition to the retrospective nature of Section 58. We know Padmore 1987 specifically exempted those caught by it, thus it's reasonable to expect the same of finance Act 2008. We also know that the then Conservative opposition tabled amendments to remove the retrospectivity from Section 58. Surely, now is the very best time to contact you MP and request that they represent you to petition the Chancellor to remove the retrospective element of this act. Or, at the very least, exempt those known to be caught by it up until the date the act was passed, just like Padmore 1987.

I have already written to mine, the MP in question has already responded (last night) and I can at least take some comfort that he will be writing to a Chancellor who is not part of the loony, vindictive, dishonest bunch of liars and cowards who occupied Nr 10 prior to the last election. Please, can we all think about writing to our MPs.

Well done. I will also be writing to mine again.

[reckless]

We know that both a large collection of MPs and the JCHR all voiced opposition to the retrospective nature of Section 58. We know Padmore 1987 specifically exempted those caught by it, thus it's reasonable to expect the same of finance Act 2008. We also know that the then Conservative opposition tabled amendments to remove the retrospectivity from Section 58. Surely, now is the very best time to contact you MP and request that they represent you to petition the Chancellor to remove the retrospective element of this act. Or, at the very least, exempt those known to be caught by it up until the date the act was passed, just like Padmore 1987.

I have already written to mine, the MP in question has already responded (last night) and I can at least take some comfort that he will be writing to a Chancellor who is not part of the loony, vindictive, dishonest bunch of liars and cowards who occupied Nr 10 prior to the last election. Please, can we all think about writing to our MPs.

I totally agree - amidst the current pessimism and silence, this is something positive that we can all be progressing. By all means let MP continue with their strategies and possibly negotiations, but it's time we collectively took some action ourselves. The history of, and arguments pertaining to this long and sorry debacle have been well written and debated, many times over on this thread. Let's get going, clearly state the facts/arguments and bombard our MPs with letters (with copies to messrs Osborne and Alexander) so that at least knowledge of this travesty of justice spreads beyond this thread and our own families. For the sake of half an hour's time writing and the cost of some stamps there's absolutely nothing to lose. I suggest a concerted effort this weekend so that the relevant in-trays are well stacked next Tuesday.

[SantaClaus]

I totally agree - amidst the current pessimism and silence, this is something positive that we can all be progressing. By all means let MP continue with their strategies and possibly negotiations, but it's time we collectively took some action ourselves. The history of, and arguments pertaining to this long and sorry debacle have been well written and debated, many times over on this thread. Let's get going, clearly state the facts/arguments and bombard our MPs with letters (with copies to messrs Osborne and Alexander) so that at least knowledge of this travesty of justice spreads beyond this thread and our own families. For the sake of half an hour's time writing and the cost of some stamps there's absolutely nothing to lose. I suggest a concerted effort this weekend so that the relevant in-trays are well stacked next Tuesday.

I'm all for it. But it requires everyone to get involved. Couldn't help but notice that some people are appearing on this thread after many years of silence.

Do we want a campaign that is just a trickle of letters or a flood?

[Sailorman]

Any idea what Hector can do to try to collect debts from non UK residents living overseas?? We've out of the UK for 6 years with no intention of returning. No significant assets, but not willing to give what we have left over if I can help it. I'm sure they can try but not sure what the legal position is.

Happy to get involved with any letters - but I don't have anyone to write to.

[TalkingCheese]

Poll on who has written to their mp?

I'm all for it. But it requires everyone to get involved. Couldn't help but notice that some people are appearing on this thread after many years of silence.

Do we want a campaign that is just a trickle of letters or a flood?

I for one have written as, as said, it can do no harm. Worth a poll just so we can see how many have/are going to write? Not sure what we gain but may provide some momentum.

[moira under the stairs]

I for one have written as, as said, it can do no harm. Worth a poll just so we can see how many have/are going to write? Not sure what we gain but may provide some momentum.

Don't have a problem writing to my MP but I need to know what our representatives have to say first.

How long have we been fighting this battle ? a few more days/weeks won't hurt, give MontP a chance, the HMRC haven't started banging at your door have they ?, I'm sure they won't be for a while yet... if ever.

[nevergiveup]

Don't have a problem writing to my MP but I need to know what our representatives have to say first.

How long have we been fighting this battle ? a few more days/weeks won't hurt, give MontP a chance, the HMRC haven't started banging at your door have they ?, I sure they won't be for a while yet... if ever.

Yep agree. Once we have more information I'm going to make an appointment with my Conservative MP. I'll take my kids too and ask him if he can't/won't help where the local housing/benefits department are located as I'll need them once I'm booted out of my job and house!

[smalldog]

Don't have a problem writing to my MP but I need to know what our representatives have to say first.

How long have we been fighting this battle ? a few more days/weeks won't hurt, give MontP a chance, the HMRC haven't started banging at your door have they ?, I'm sure they won't be for a while yet... if ever.

correct and they wont be until our CN appeals have been heard at the tax courts.