BN66 - Court of Appeal and beyond

[seadog]

I'm all for it. But it requires everyone to get involved. Couldn't help but notice that some people are appearing on this thread after many years of silence.

Do we want a campaign that is just a trickle of letters or a flood?

A campaign is a great idea but first it needs to have an objective.

I sugest the objective is to get the retrospective element of S58 amended by limiting of any retrospection to March 2008 which was the date BN66 was announced and which would have been in accordance with both the HMRC protocol and Parliamentary Rees rules on retrospective legislation.

A coordinated letter writing camapign asking David Gauk to live up to his pre elction statements might be the starting pooiint for the camapign.

[Morlock]

Fight On!

Folks, don't get downhearted. If the worst case is having to pay the back-tax demand in full then there are still lots of avenues to pursue before the worst happens. Ones I can think of are:
* Wait for Montpelier's next step.
* Wait for PWC's next step.
* Examine the way that your case has been dealt with by HMRC and look for irregularities. Demand copies of every letter pertaining to your case. Argue the toss with them if they haven't followed their Code of Practice to the letter.
* Take your case to a tax tribunal.
* Seek your MP's support. If that fails, seek the support of his/her political opponents in your area.
* Write to the Chancellor.
* Write to the Prime Minister.
* Write to the Queen.
* Write to the Times.
* Try to cut a deal with HMRC to reduce one or more of: interest, tax, NI contribs.
* Try to agree a payment plan with HMRC.
Admittedly some of the above might not help much, but the point is
1) nothing ventured, nothing gained
2) take responsibility for your own destiny and decisions.
My Grand-dad had a chestful of medals after a lifetime of military service, and he always said "you're not beaten until you stop fighting"...
...and I intend to follow that advice.
This situation is WRONG WRONG WRONG.

[redkieran]

Would The Economist be a better paper to write to than The Times? More likely to get sympathy there.

[Emigre]

Folks, don't get downhearted. If the worst case is having to pay the back-tax demand in full then there are still lots of avenues to pursue before the worst happens. Ones I can think of are:
* Wait for Montpelier's next step.
* Wait for PWC's next step.
* Examine the way that your case has been dealt with by HMRC and look for irregularities. Demand copies of every letter pertaining to your case. Argue the toss with them if they haven't followed their Code of Practice to the letter.
* Take your case to a tax tribunal.
* Seek your MP's support. If that fails, seek the support of his/her political opponents in your area.
* Write to the Chancellor.
* Write to the Prime Minister.
* Write to the Queen.
* Write to the Times.
* Try to cut a deal with HMRC to reduce one or more of: interest, tax, NI contribs.
* Try to agree a payment plan with HMRC.
Admittedly some of the above might not help much, but the point is
1) nothing ventured, nothing gained
2) take responsibility for your own destiny and decisions.
My Grand-dad had a chestful of medals after a lifetime of military service, and he always said "you're not beaten until you stop fighting"...
...and I intend to follow that advice.
This situation is WRONG WRONG WRONG.

Excellent. That is seriously uplifting.

There are other avenues to follow as well. Just because HMRC tells you that S58 has been made law, does not necessarily mean that it applies to us. There may well be loopholes that exempt us from the application of S58. After all, there are over 11,000 pages of tax law to offer that opportunity.

[SantaClaus]

A campaign is a great idea but first it needs to have an objective.

I sugest the objective is to get the retrospective element of S58 amended by limiting of any retrospection to March 2008 which was the date BN66 was announced and which would have been in accordance with both the HMRC protocol and Parliamentary Rees rules on retrospective legislation.

A coordinated letter writing camapign asking David Gauk to live up to his pre elction statements might be the starting pooiint for the camapign.

Good point Seadog. I think we do need to call Gauke to account.

[reckless]

Human effects

Good point Seadog. I think we do need to call Gauke to account.

When we do write the letters, let's also emphasise the likely human consequences of this punitive legislation. Many on this thread have spoken of the possibility/likelihood of losing their homes and jobs. This is not a case of a few affluent tax dodging barons having to trade down to a smaller yacht or older Porsche as a consequence of their actions - this is about people losing everything in life. There have unfortunately in recent years been some high profile tragedies resulting from HMRC pushing individuals to the brink, who faced losing everything. Don't hold back on the gravity of the situation as far as personal lives and futures are concerned. After all, there are three thousand of us.

[WhatEver]

MP letter

I'm writing to my MP and looking for useful info. The first page on this thread has DR's timeline which is a start. I've also found another timeline which can supplement this:

BN66 timeline

Who was the Con MP(s) that tabled the S55 (as it was then) amendment?

Can anyone point me to the JCHR report or conclusion so I can include?

thx

[BarneyCool]

When we do write the letters, let's also emphasise the likely human consequences of this punitive legislation. Many on this thread have spoken of the possibility/likelihood of losing their homes and jobs. This is not a case of a few affluent tax dodging barons having to trade down to a smaller yacht or older Porsche as a consequence of their actions - this is about people losing everything in life. There have unfortunately in recent years been some high profile tragedies resulting from HMRC pushing individuals to the brink, who faced losing everything. Don't hold back on the gravity of the situation as far as personal lives and futures are concerned. After all, there are three thousand of us.

I'm all for writing letters and whatever else people conjur up, but I think we need a reality check. They don't give a ****! All MP's are natural born liars what they said in opposition will not sound anything remotely similar to what they will say now, all with a sympathetic and apologetic tone i'm sure. Purely for the fact that this has now dragged on for over a decade there is no way that HMRC are gonna cut a deal. I'm sure that they want to ruin every single one of us including the wife, kids and parents, with the more pain and suffering inflicted the better. I bet they even get a lazy lob on at the thought of it. There may well be 3000 of us but the government are laying off more than that every week! they don't give a 5hit. I'm not advocating that we throw in the towel but I just feel that we are simply reaching the end game of this absolutely horrendous situation and clutching at any straw we can. Personaly I prefer sleeping these days its the only way I can escape from this living Nightmare!

[WhatEver]

I'm all for writing letters and whatever else people conjur up, but I think we need a reality check. They don't give a ****! All MP's are natural born liars what they said in opposition will not sound anything remotely similar to what they will say now, all with a sympathetic and apologetic tone i'm sure. Purely for the fact that this has now dragged on for over a decade there is no way that HMRC are gonna cut a deal. I'm sure that they want to ruin every single one of us including the wife, kids and parents, with the more pain and suffering inflicted the better. I bet they even get a lazy lob on at the thought of it. There may well be 3000 of us but the government are laying off more than that every week! they don't give a 5hit. I'm not advocating that we throw in the towel but I just feel that we are simply reaching the end game of this absolutely horrendous situation and clutching at any straw we can. Personaly I prefer sleeping these days its the only way I can escape from this living Nightmare!

I agree and assuming the worst. I'm hoping that at the very least by making my MP fully aware of the situation, assistance with buying time or striking a deal may be forthcoming. I'm not expecting anything more.

[Ganimos]

I'm writing to my MP and looking for useful info. The first page on this thread has DR's timeline which is a start. I've also found another timeline which can supplement this:

BN66 timeline

Who was the Con MP(s) that tabled the S55 (as it was then) amendment?

Can anyone point me to the JCHR report or conclusion so I can include?

thx

Try these

House of Commons Public Bill Committee Proceedings


JCHR scrutiny of Section 58 Finance Act 2008 - a Freedom of Information request to Her Majesty



Legislative Scrutiny: Finance Bill; Government Response to the Committee's Sixteenth Report of Session 2008-09, Coroners and Justice Bill (certified inquests) - Human Rights Joint Committee