Originally posted by d000hg
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IR35 - who are the actual targets?
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I never knew that IR35 was born out of Fri-Mon permietractors. I've only been contracting for 4 years now and never seen one of these.
So based on this an IR35 questionnaire should go along the lines of:
"Have you evenr worked for your current client as a permanent employee? If so how long for and when?"
I'm a bum-on-seat Mon-Fri 9-5 contractor but I don't see that as making me any kind of employee of the agency/clientco - any more than a builder who spends 6 months doing up a house and works at the same place of work for the duration of the job..
No sickpay, holiday pay, benefits, redundancy, promise of work and the fact that I have to rectify anything I do wrong in my own time at my own expense says I'll pay myself how I choose.... Even on a 12 monther..
Thieving opportunistic flippers trying to go after the little guys and letting the big guys ride them like donkeys..."Is someone you don't like allowed to say something you don't like? If that is the case then we have free speech."- Elon MuskComment
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Originally posted by Jog On View PostI never knew that IR35 was born out of Fri-Mon permietractors. I've only been contracting for 4 years now and never seen one of these.
Most companies are very careful now because if HMRC starts investigating the ex-employee, they know they will get in trouble as well plus would also face a large legal bill defending themselves against a tribunal claim from the ex-employee.
Originally posted by Jog On View PostSo based on this an IR35 questionnaire should go along the lines of:
"Have you evenr worked for your current client as a permanent employee? If so how long for and when?"
Originally posted by Jog On View PostI'm a bum-on-seat Mon-Fri 9-5 contractor but I don't see that as making me any kind of employee of the agency/clientco - any more than a builder who spends 6 months doing up a house and works at the same place of work for the duration of the job..
However I do have clients where the hours I can work are limited for security and transport reasons. Plus in addition if I have to provide support services to client staff members or co-operate with them, then it's easier and more productive if I adapt my working hours to their times.
Originally posted by Jog On View PostNo sickpay, holiday pay, benefits, redundancy, promise of work and the fact that I have to rectify anything I do wrong in my own time at my own expense says I'll pay myself how I choose.... Even on a 12 monther..
Originally posted by Jog On View PostThieving opportunistic flippers trying to go after the little guys and letting the big guys ride them like donkeys..."You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JRComment
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Well I'm kind of a Fri-Monday contractor as sorts.. however I like to think of myself (rightly or wrongly) as a disguised contractor
I was consulting for a company and decided I wanted to be a contractor, I told one of my former clients about this and they said they'd like to set me on. However due to various legal problems I couldn't become a contractor straight away without the risk of both me and the client being sued. Therefore after some legal adivce I took a "permie" job at the client for an agreed three months basis after which I'd become a contractor. There by avoiding all the legal crap because they couldn't legally stop me taking a permie job there due to restriction of trade.
I'm now in my second stint at the same client and all is rosey, no pimps involved and even have sub-contractors working for me through my ltdco etc.. I've always regarded myself as outside IR35 as there is definitely no control or knowledge really about what I do, even when I was a permie for the short-time.
Whilst obviously not wanting the hassle of an investigation I'd love to argue my case with themComment
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Originally posted by DrEvil View Post
I'm now in my second stint at the same client and all is rosey, no pimps involved and even have sub-contractors working for me through my ltdco etc.. )
How many employees can choose to subcontract part of their work out?"You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JRComment
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Originally posted by DrEvil View PostWhilst obviously not wanting the hassle of an investigation I'd love to argue my case with themBlog? What blog...?Comment
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Originally posted by malvolio View PostErmm... Just as an aside, you do realise that every IR35 investigation that's been lost have been ones where the contractor represented themselves? With a win/lose ratio of roughly 99% in favour of the contractor, doesn't that tell you something?Comment
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Originally posted by meanttobeworking View PostNo, I use a common method of debate to highlight the absurdity of the opposing argument. The stupidity of the comparison highlights the flaws in the thought process of, in this case, HMRC. It's not my fault if it goes over your head.Originally posted by MaryPoppinsI'd still not breastfeed a naziOriginally posted by vetranUrine is quite nourishingComment
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Originally posted by d000hg View PostThere is clearly a huge difference between a window-cleaner and an IT contractor.
Originally posted by d000hg View Posttherefore your comparison is useless and your argument stupid. They're totally different situations.
I get that you don't like my comparison - I really do. But I'm not going to carry on justifying it to someone that clearly just doesn't get it. You're right, I'm a total moron, as can be seen by all the other people on here ripping it out of me alongside you...Comment
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