BN66 - Time to fight back (Chapter 3)

[Taffia]

Helllo All,
I am new to this newsgroup and a friend who is also in the same boat sent me the link. On Friday I received my CNs. The first was for 2001-2002, then 2004-2005. For some reason 2003-2004 was skipped? However its a lot of money they are asking for. I had not had any letters for ages and I though they had investigated my 2001-2002, the CNs pretty much have come out of the Blue for all the years. I contacted MP yesterday and they are handling the appeal for me. I have been advised to open a CTD to freeze the interest but the amount they are asking far exceeds what I currently have and I would be forced to sell my house if it came to that. Its my understanding that the JR will not be till Feb now - is that correct?

Hi MrRaincheck,

when I spoke with MontP about a week ago, their estimate for when the JR goes ahead is February 2009. Saying that, it's only an estimate so could in
theory change.

Taffia.

[DonkeyRhubarb]

I hope there is no suggestion that this was the reason behind HMRC sending such twaddle?

Two can play at that game.

If we were all to send 10 letters* each to "you know who", that would keep them busy for a while!!!


* 2nd class of course

[BrilloPad]

Two can play at that game.

If we were all to send 10 letters* each to "you know who", that would keep them busy for a while!!!


* 2nd class of course

With the CSA you can request your records every 42 days. Can you do the same with HMRC?

[SantaClaus]

I hope there is no suggestion that this was the reason behind HMRC sending such twaddle?

Why don't we bombard HMRC with questions? Now there's an idea!

Edit: Oops sorry, just noticed question had been asked.

From the HMRC website:
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/freedom/make-info.htm

"You should be as specific as possible as to the information you require, as this will help speed up the search for information, and will reduce the risk of your request being turned down on cost grounds. You should let us know how you would like the information provided to you, (ie by post or email), or that you would prefer to view the information in person instead."

So we need to ask them for as much information as possible in a way that they cant turn it down. And obviously we would like the weighty tome delivered by Royal Mail

Maybe we can make a list here of what to request and start a new thread with a standard letter to send to Hector. Put a poll on the thread so we can gauge how many people have sent the letter.

As Brillo suggests, even if we send them 10 requests each that cannot be fulfilled, we will keep them very busy.

[Emigre]

Two can play at that game.

If we were all to send 10 letters* each to "you know who", that would keep them busy for a while!!!


* 2nd class of course

If only the playing field was level. There is no doubt that such an action would slow down the issuance of CNs, even more than now, since the impact would be in the local offices. Don't want to sound like a troll but the issue here is that HMRC have many local offices and so the workload gets spread out widely. It will not impact the HMRC team that is preparing for the JR. By contrast MP have very few staff, so mass HMRC mailings make a big hit.

Also, only 10% of us have received CNs on which we could ask questions (eg how did you calculate that interest figure?), the other 90% would have to limit their questions to asking when HMRC are going to close their non-existent investigations into earlier years. Of course, that would be one letter per year. As soon as the response to one letter is received, send the next.

The other concern here is that any correspondence between us and HMRC ought to be forwarded to MP who are already buried under pointless HMRC newsletters.

It would be good to take the moral high ground and suggest that it would be wasting taxpayers money but then there seems to be very little we could teach HMRC on that matter. This whole witch hunt is a massive waste of taxpayers money.

[BrilloPad]

If only the playing field was level. There is no doubt that such an action would slow down the issuance of CNs, even more than now, since the impact would be in the local offices. Don't want to sound like a troll but the issue here is that HMRC have many local offices and so the workload gets spread out widely. It will not impact the HMRC team that is preparing for the JR. By contrast MP have very few staff, so mass HMRC mailings make a big hit.

Also, only 10% of us have received CNs on which we could ask questions (eg how did you calculate that interest figure?), the other 90% would have to limit their questions to asking when HMRC are going to close their non-existent investigations into earlier years. Of course, that would be one letter per year. As soon as the response to one letter is received, send the next.

The other concern here is that any correspondence between us and HMRC ought to be forwarded to MP who are already buried under pointless HMRC newsletters.

It would be good to take the moral high ground and suggest that it would be wasting taxpayers money but then there seems to be very little we could teach HMRC on that matter. This whole witch hunt is a massive waste of taxpayers money.

I am with Emigre on this.

I have annoyed the hell out of the CSA before - just by exerting my rights. There are other tricks you can play (all totally legal) - even if you dont have a CSA case! JUst pay them £1 (or overpay if you have a case). Their systems just cannot handle it!

And as I said before - all letters must go in yellow pen(as it can't be scanned/photocopied - it has to be transcribed).

However I think HMRC are alot better setup than the CSA.

As their anything on the interweb thingy about causing HMRC to go to extra work? On that "HMRC are s**t" site?

[AlbionRovers]

Why would anyone want to use stalling/disruptive tactics with HMRC?
Get this thing over and done with ASAP, not drag it out longer?

Are am I completely missing the point?

[AlbionRovers]

*Or*

[Shaddha]

How many of you have used a CTD? (Newbie here)

Hi I'm new to this forum, but have been with MP between 2006-2008. I am now trying to get up to speed with all thats happening.

In speaking to MP they have suggested that a CTD (certificate of tax deposit) may be preferable & that approx. 15% of people with MP have taken this up. I just wanted to know if anyone here has done so & what are the risks & issues (if any). Money is supposed to be held without prejudice, but as an HMRC scheme this seems a little strange to me. I am eager to avoid the 7.5% interest that HMRC will charge on any monies owing if they win. Any comments here greatly appreciated.

Also if MP win the JR am I right in saying that monies will only be owed on income from March 31st 2008 onwards?

Thanks All - I have found this forum excellent

[BrilloPad]

Why would anyone want to use stalling/disruptive tactics with HMRC?
Get this thing over and done with ASAP, not drag it out longer?

Are am I completely missing the point?

I think everyone here wants it over - it was all set to go before commissioners at end 2007 - then stalled - then bn66.

However I also think most here are sick of the HMRC mind games. Like the recent newsletter. To be fair to HMRC though - they do work! Didn't 2 people on the old thread vote to settle up? And I hear that some others have settled. Why would anyone settle - why not get a CTD?

I dont think there is anything we can do to disrupt HMRC head office. As Emigre says - would mostly affect the satellite offices.

And - at the moment - why disrupt HMRC head office? The JR is the primary focus now.....