BN66 - Time to fight back (Chapter 3)

[BrilloPad]

I would urge caution over some of the recent posts, ie fleeing to NZ, disposing of assets etc...

WHS - good point.

[Toocan]

HMRC’s heavy handed mistakes

Just heard from MP that one client had HMRC Debt Management turn up at his house yesterday, even though CNs had been appealed on 14th Oct, and acknowledge by HMRC on 7th Nov.

I am sorry but mistakes like this are unforgivable.

This is nothing less than an abuse of power. Should we need to take BN66 to the Press, incidents like this will be useful and work to our advantage. Whoever had the visit from HMRC Debt Management should certainly lodge a formal complaint against HMRC and demand a formal apology.

I certainly feel that I have been bullied by HMRC for the last six years – every complaint we make, every “mistake” they make will help our case and our cause.

Ordinarily I wouldn’t want to antagonise HMRC. But frankly, they already have my number. Nothing I do can make their teeth any sharper. They cannot try to get more off me than they are already after. That’s the problem with putting a person in the position of having nothing more to loose.

I think it is worth remembering that we are not being treated any worse than anyone else who has the misfortune to come under HMRC’s gaze. Have a look at these stories:

Taxman misled court into granting search warrants
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle5147718.ece

Taxman conducts second offshore patrol
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle5142222.ece

Banks alarmed by Revenue's strategy for offshore assault
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/mon...cle3254280.ece

I’ve included these links to demonstrate HMRC behaviour. But let’s not forget that there is a huge difference between the offshore banks story and what is happening with BN66. Hiding bank interest has been considered tax evasion for years, the scheme that we all used was 100% legal and above board until Gordon Brown’s Finance Bill 2008 – A bill which rewrites a law that is over 20 years old.

How would the HMRC officers who write to us like it if I became Prime Minster and enacted a law that revoked all final salary pension schemes for HMRC employees AND demanded interest for all the payments made on their behalf over the years? That wouldn’t be very fair now, would it? Nor is BN66. It’s not fair and it’s not British.

Other posters have claimed that HMRC monitor this discussion board. It is interesting that they do not make any posts. Could it be because they are ashamed to be part of this dishonest, unethical and immoral action?


Getting off my soap box…

My overall message is that we should expect the best and plan for the worst. That means expect that we win the Judicial Review and the HMRC will abandon their baron waste of taxpayer (ie my) money.

We should arrange our finances in an attempt to maximise the amount of cash we can call on should it be needed. Risky “investments” I think should be thought about very carefully. HMRC have taken so long to get to this point that I think they may be forced to accept payment over years should that be necessary.

With all that said, I don’t think this should be worried about. Montpellier are working very hard to keep up and respond to HMRC’s letters. It’s part of the deal that they will defend our tax planning all the way to the House of Lords. As things have turned out this may even extend to Europe.

HMRC may attempt to undo past law, but our human rights will not be undone. They will not win this. We are not in breach of the law, they are.

[DonkeyRhubarb]

This is nothing less than an abuse of power. Should we need to take BN66 to the Press, incidents like this will be useful and work to our advantage. Whoever had the visit from HMRC Debt Management should certainly lodge a formal complaint against HMRC and demand a formal apology.

I certainly feel that I have been bullied by HMRC for the last six years – every complaint we make, every “mistake” they make will help our case and our cause.

Ordinarily I wouldn’t want to antagonise HMRC. But frankly, they already have my number. Nothing I do can make their teeth any sharper. They cannot try to get more off me than they are already after. That’s the problem with putting a person in the position of having nothing more to loose.

I think it is worth remembering that we are not being treated any worse than anyone else who has the misfortune to come under HMRC’s gaze. Have a look at these stories:

Taxman misled court into granting search warrants
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle5147718.ece

Taxman conducts second offshore patrol
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle5142222.ece

Banks alarmed by Revenue's strategy for offshore assault
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/mon...cle3254280.ece

I’ve included these links to demonstrate HMRC behaviour. But let’s not forget that there is a huge difference between the offshore banks story and what is happening with BN66. Hiding bank interest has been considered tax evasion for years, the scheme that we all used was 100% legal and above board until Gordon Brown’s Finance Bill 2008 – A bill which rewrites a law that is over 20 years old.

How would the HMRC officers who write to us like it if I became Prime Minster and enacted a law that revoked all final salary pension schemes for HMRC employees AND demanded interest for all the payments made on their behalf over the years? That wouldn’t be very fair now, would it? Nor is BN66. It’s not fair and it’s not British.

Other posters have claimed that HMRC monitor this discussion board. It is interesting that they do not make any posts. Could it be because they are ashamed to be part of this dishonest, unethical and immoral action?


Getting off my soap box…

My overall message is that we should expect the best and plan for the worst. That means expect that we win the Judicial Review and the HMRC will abandon their baron waste of taxpayer (ie my) money.

We should arrange our finances in an attempt to maximise the amount of cash we can call on should it be needed. Risky “investments” I think should be thought about very carefully. HMRC have taken so long to get to this point that I think they may be forced to accept payment over years should that be necessary.

With all that said, I don’t think this should be worried about. Montpellier are working very hard to keep up and respond to HMRC’s letters. It’s part of the deal that they will defend our tax planning all the way to the House of Lords. As things have turned out this may even extend to Europe.

HMRC may attempt to undo past law, but our human rights will not be undone. They will not win this. We are not in breach of the law, they are.

Oustanding post. I have already added it to the "best of" list.

[SantaClaus]

Just thought everyone would like to know I received an anonymous email from [email protected] pointing to this thread.

Wonder who else got one?

[BrilloPad]

Just thought everyone would like to know I received an anonymous email from [email protected] pointing to this thread.

Wonder who else got one?

I heard a rumour ( ) the total is about 400 so far!

Could we have a thread with a poll - have you received an email from [email protected] ?

[BrilloPad]

This is nothing less than an abuse of power. Should we need to take BN66 to the Press, incidents like this will be useful and work to our advantage. Whoever had the visit from HMRC Debt Management should certainly lodge a formal complaint against HMRC and demand a formal apology.

I certainly feel that I have been bullied by HMRC for the last six years – every complaint we make, every “mistake” they make will help our case and our cause.

Ordinarily I wouldn’t want to antagonise HMRC. But frankly, they already have my number. Nothing I do can make their teeth any sharper. They cannot try to get more off me than they are already after. That’s the problem with putting a person in the position of having nothing more to loose.

I think it is worth remembering that we are not being treated any worse than anyone else who has the misfortune to come under HMRC’s gaze. Have a look at these stories:

Taxman misled court into granting search warrants
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle5147718.ece

Taxman conducts second offshore patrol
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle5142222.ece

Banks alarmed by Revenue's strategy for offshore assault
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/mon...cle3254280.ece

I’ve included these links to demonstrate HMRC behaviour. But let’s not forget that there is a huge difference between the offshore banks story and what is happening with BN66. Hiding bank interest has been considered tax evasion for years, the scheme that we all used was 100% legal and above board until Gordon Brown’s Finance Bill 2008 – A bill which rewrites a law that is over 20 years old.

How would the HMRC officers who write to us like it if I became Prime Minster and enacted a law that revoked all final salary pension schemes for HMRC employees AND demanded interest for all the payments made on their behalf over the years? That wouldn’t be very fair now, would it? Nor is BN66. It’s not fair and it’s not British.

Other posters have claimed that HMRC monitor this discussion board. It is interesting that they do not make any posts. Could it be because they are ashamed to be part of this dishonest, unethical and immoral action?


Getting off my soap box…

My overall message is that we should expect the best and plan for the worst. That means expect that we win the Judicial Review and the HMRC will abandon their baron waste of taxpayer (ie my) money.

We should arrange our finances in an attempt to maximise the amount of cash we can call on should it be needed. Risky “investments” I think should be thought about very carefully. HMRC have taken so long to get to this point that I think they may be forced to accept payment over years should that be necessary.

With all that said, I don’t think this should be worried about. Montpellier are working very hard to keep up and respond to HMRC’s letters. It’s part of the deal that they will defend our tax planning all the way to the House of Lords. As things have turned out this may even extend to Europe.

HMRC may attempt to undo past law, but our human rights will not be undone. They will not win this. We are not in breach of the law, they are.

Excellent post. HMRC only monitor this board to get information. Its quite a pity they do really - would have saved me a visit from the babylon.

[SantaClaus]

Or maybe do some risky forex trading (tax free) to try to turn it into £150k....

Actually Forex Trading is what I do now Ratican. It's risky if you dont know what you are doing. I would allow at least 3 years to learn it properly, just like a degree.

However, as the forex can be traded via spreadbetting, its tax free so Hector cant get his grubby paws on it . Not a nickle, dime or cent.

Unless of course he changes the gambling laws retrosepctively

[SantaClaus]

I heard a rumour ( ) the total is about 400 so far!

Could we have a thread with a poll - have you received an email from [email protected] ?

Ok, I think I have a little idea who it was

[bongfish]

Coming out of the shadows

Hi All,

I'm an ex MP con who has been lurking around this and other threads on and off for a while. However, I just felt I had to come out of the shadows to say a big thank you to everyone who has contributed over the last few months. If it had not been for your efforts I might have capitulated to the threatening letters long before now.

I have a colleague in the same position who has already received his CN and was beginning to feel left out until I received my "News Letter". Initially I just bemused by it but after reading the posts from the past week I am now positively bouyed by it.

I beginning to suspect that some of Mr B's minions are exercising their common sense and choosing not to waste their time until the likely outcome of the JR is a little clearer. I suspect that the "News Letter" is a way of telling us to stop phoning local offices to chase CNs that they have no intention of sending until after the JR, without actually saying so explicitly.

I don't know if this "pause for thought" is them clearing the decks to deal with the big influx of SAs over the coming months or an indication that they are losing confidence in their case. Personally, I think it is a combination of the two.

Anyway to all those who have posted some top advice and some very amusing critiques of Mr B's activities over the past months:

[BrilloPad]

Ok, I think I have a little idea who it was

Well I know who it was. One day it will be told who it was. It depends on if there is credit or blame for who takes responsibility in the meantime.

Any more lurkers out there? Please register and post - dont be shy. Its a very welcoming supportive group here.