BN66 - Time to fight back: Continued

[BrilloPad]

Could be that some of MP's spokesmen on this thread are leading people into thinking it's all done and dusted when, in fact, it is more than likely that if Hector fails to get his view imposed regarding BN66 he will simply write a new rule to cover it. And like FBT, that new rule will almost certainly drag a lot more people into the net who are not affected by BN66.

Like I said, I could care less. But yours and others' loud protestations over someone reasonably well informed presenting an opposing view to MP's utopian one should make people think about your own motivation.

Anyway, go play in your own sandpit and leave me out of it.

So there we have it. Once again the real reason. The contractor union - headed by chairman Mal. As far as I am concerned its everyone for themself.

In case you had not noticed this is MPs sandpit - you have promised twice to leave and failed to do so. Any chance of third time lucky?

[malvolio]

As long as you stop ascribing motives to my posts that are neither intended nor implied. You will have great fun running your little campaign if you get banned for misrepresenting other people's posts.

However, my concern is real. For example, the original target of the S660a attack that led to Arctic was around 20k contracting companies. The resultant implmentation of FBT that will kick off in 2009 will impact around 1.2 million. Get the point?

[BrilloPad]

As long as you stop ascribing motives to my posts that are neither intended nor implied. You will have great fun running your little campaign if you get banned for misrepresenting other people's posts.

However, my concern is real. For example, the original target of the S660a attack that led to Arctic was around 20k contracting companies. The resultant implmentation of FBT that will kick off in 2009 will impact around 1.2 million. Get the point?

as long as you **** off seriously(TM) then I will have no reason to reply or to discuss you. I could answer the points in your first paragraph - but since you are leaving no point. dont let the door slam your arse on the way out.

as for your second paragraph - I think you have a point worthy of discussion. but would you accept that this is the wrong thread to discuss this on? this is already a large subject - so any debate we would have would soon get lost and become meaningless. what I suggest is a seperate thread - is that ok?

[JMK]

Up to now we have assumed that a refund of a POA might attract a better rate of interest than cashing in a CTD but now I'm not so sure.

And that's where it breaks down for me too.
CTD rate: http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/howtopay/ctd-interest-rates.pdf
PoA rate: ?

I believed from the distant past that PoA offered a good rate of interest when you finally got it back, but the only link I can find at the moment is: http://www.dyerpartnership.com/overpaid.html which suggests 2.5%, i.e may as well go for a CTD...

[Diego]

If you lot really think that HMRC will stop their attack simply becuase they lose one case, you're more deluded than I thought.

Mal, you really are the patron saint of patronisation.
If you really think we are all running around thinking we've already won, we wouldn't be bothering to read this forum. Nothing is certain until its gone through the JR and the European Court, regardless of either opinion stating we can't lose or you're goners. Most people have better things to do than read and contribute to online forums (maybe you don't?) unless they have a vested interest and they want information.

OK, I'm gone
This must be at least the 4th time I've read you writing this - either go or stop writing this.

Like I said, I could care less.
Really? It doesn't read like that

Personally, I'm not going to tell you to f off because it's a free country and indeed forum, and you do catch a few with your bait. I just wonder why you bother.

[Lewis]

So there we have it. Once again the real reason. The contractor union - headed by chairman Mal. As far as I am concerned its everyone for themself.

In case you had not noticed this is MPs sandpit - you have promised twice to leave and failed to do so. Any chance of third time lucky?

So says Charmain Brillo of the BN66 thread. What gives you the right to demand people leave "your" thread. I thought this was public forum. I refer you to my post from JUNE where I suggested you create a private forum and even told you where you can do it in 5 minutes for free. http://forums.contractoruk.com/551140-post487.html. You can post a link to it from here so you can get new people and you can personally approve every joiner. Why don't you go and organise that yourself rather than suggesting someone else does it and save us your threatening and abusive posts.

[Ratican]

OK, fine, don't listen. I'm not a troll, I have sod all interest in how you get on beyond the potential for collateral damage, which is significant, not that that will cross your rose-tinted horizons


OK, I'm gone, have fun, hope not too many of you lose your houses. And take yourselves off to a private forum and stop embarrasing yourselves out here in the real world.

What an extremely sad and boring person. I bet Mal is a fun guy to be with on a night out...

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[Douglas]

HMRC Repayment Rates

And that's where it breaks down for me too.
CTD rate: http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/howtopay/ctd-interest-rates.pdf
PoA rate: ?

I believed from the distant past that PoA offered a good rate of interest when you finally got it back, but the only link I can find at the moment is: http://www.dyerpartnership.com/overpaid.html which suggests 2.5%, i.e may as well go for a CTD...

This suggests 3%: http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/rates/interest-repayments.htm

[nuffsaid]

Can anyone think of any scenarios where paying on account could backfire?

Obviously with settling (not POA) it's done and dusted, you have accepted liability and blame, and your case is closed.

With POA, your case must remain open? But for how long? Is there a time limit when HMRC will decide that your POA is now considered a settlement?
I also would guess that the HMRC would apply pressure to convert this into a settlement so they can close the case.

If we loose the JR then we would have to settle anyway, but if we win the next steps could easily last 5 years before there's a final conclusion. And you can guarantee their repayments would be delayed - and they'll probably find a way to tax them too

[DonkeyRhubarb]

And that's where it breaks down for me too.
CTD rate: http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/howtopay/ctd-interest-rates.pdf
PoA rate: ?

I believed from the distant past that PoA offered a good rate of interest when you finally got it back, but the only link I can find at the moment is: http://www.dyerpartnership.com/overpaid.html which suggests 2.5%, i.e may as well go for a CTD...

I think you definitely need to get advice before making a POA. At least with a CTD you know what you're getting, even if it is derisory, whereas it's not clear to me where you would stand with a POA.

The other thing that troubles me about POA is that this is what HMRC want us to do. They don't mention CTD as an option in any of their letters which makes me suspicious. I think you have to question whose best interest is served by making a POA.