Lost money due to government dept "losing" my SC

[NotAllThere]

...because some donut didn't do things properly...

Bit of an open goal there

[psychocandy]

Also, Mal needs to clarify this but even if you held SC at a previous gig it isn't a given it's transferrable. SC should exist with the gig not the person or something like that so even if you had it in the past it's not a guarantee it's available for the next one. Mal words it better than that but it's another argument they can bring up to obfuscate the situation.

Its a grey area but I think most people, agencies included, work on the premise of "have you had SC within the last 12 months?" If so then good to transfer it.

But yes they're initial reply basically says that. Its not guaranteed, you can't rely on it. Basically, if we **** up then its tough titty.

[northernladuk]

On the plus side, I did claim a bit of JSA and even got tax credits for one month....

You opened your first mail with a comment about sarcasm from me. For a change you've actually asked a fairly reasonable question and I've provided a reasonable answer in my opinion. All was going well.

So why throw this stupidity in and derail what must be the first post this year that might actually stay in prof forums? Just no need.

You only reduce yourself back to an idiot for even mentioning it so why did you do it?

[malvolio]

Its a grey area but I think most people, agencies included, work on the premise of "have you had SC within the last 12 months?" If so then good to transfer it.

But yes they're initial reply basically says that. Its not guaranteed, you can't rely on it. Basically, if we **** up then its tough titty.

No, not at all. The clearance belongs to and is dependent on the role. It is possible that the basis for the first clearance does not satisfy the risk analysis for the second one.

The one year doesn't exist, it is merely a convenient practice. You could still get binned anyway if your clearance doesn't fit the new role.

And if the previous SSO has no record of your clearance for whatever reason you don't have clearance.

And I've told you this at least twice....

[northernladuk]

Its a grey area but I think most people, agencies included, work on the premise of "have you had SC within the last 12 months?" If so then good to transfer it..

That's right but that isn't enough of a basis for a legal claim if you get me. Agency assumption/stupidity/lies doesn't really make a case.

As for due diligence, I had a letter from 2017 telling me I had clearance. I tried all ways to tell BEIS, that "look I've got this letter with this persons name on, whats happened to my SC?" BUT as you know things move slowly.

We mentioned this in the original posts you had about this but if you are leaving an SC gig the least you do is speak to the onsite security team, find someone that is capable and aware of the situation and get email/phone numbers so you can contact once you are offsite to transfer it.

At this point their team would have said we can't find it and you could have started down this rabbit hole before you'd even left the client.

When I say diligence I mean covering your own arse so you are fully aware of the situation for when you leave. Keeping your house in order even if theirs isn't if you get me.

[psychocandy]

No, not at all. The clearance belongs to and is dependent on the role. It is possible that the basis for the first clearance does not satisfy the risk analysis for the second one.

The one year doesn't exist, it is merely a convenient practice. You could still get binned anyway if your clearance doesn't fit the new role.

And if the previous SSO has no record of your clearance for whatever reason you don't have clearance.

And I've told you this at least twice....

OK fair enough.....

BUT you've got to admit, an agency will call you for a new role and ask "So do you have SC thats been used within the last 12 months?" On the basis of your answer being yes then they will put you forward on the basis that you have existing SC.

I appreciate what you're saying, but, from personal experience only, if you get the role its a case of transferring. I get that your clearance might not fit the new role but how often does this happen?

I get that this is maybe not the way the system should work but thats what happens in practice?

[malvolio]

OK fair enough.....

BUT you've got to admit, an agency will call you for a new role and ask "So do you have SC thats been used within the last 12 months?" On the basis of your answer being yes then they will put you forward on the basis that you have existing SC.

I appreciate what you're saying, but, from personal experience only, if you get the role its a case of transferring. I get that your clearance might not fit the new role but how often does this happen?

I get that this is maybe not the way the system should work but thats what happens in practice?

It happens more than you might imagine, especially if you are moving across Departments such as Home Office to MOD. And SC clearance within commercial companies (i.e. "outside the wire" companies who are not bound to a Department) are so sloppy about it it doesn't really matter; go from Capita to a real Department role and you will be re-cleared regardless of what Capita think you have.

And you are not telling me you believe what an agent thinks is right, are you...

[SimonMac]

Haven’t you whined about this before?

[northernladuk]

Haven’t you whined about this before?

He has but this time he's capped it off with a question about legal options.

[smatty]

If you got it in 2017 then it'd have expired after 5 years anyway wouldn't it, so you'd have needed to reapply this year anyway.