Change To OOH Rate mid Contract?

[northernladuk]

- I suspect the real issue is that you are doing a lot more OOH work than other people are.

This is what occurred to me as well. In all the situations where OOH/Overtime/Flexitime/WhatHaveYou has changed it's generally been due to one or two people absolutely smashing it so it becomes an issue. Could be the project allocating too much of it and not managing it properly or just the odd individual taking advantage but either way it's exceed expectations and has become an issue. A contractor doing it at a rate that is higher than the perms doing the same tends to exacerbate the issue you as well.

[Fred Bloggs]

This is what occurred to me as well. In all the situations where OOH/Overtime/Flexitime/WhatHaveYou has changed it's generally been due to one or two people absolutely smashing it so it becomes an issue. Could be the project allocating too much of it and not managing it properly or just the odd individual taking advantage but either way it's exceed expectations and has become an issue. A contractor doing it at a rate that is higher than the perms doing the same tends to exacerbate the issue you as well.

Highly likely. Most of us will have been innocent but have still suffered in the past from one or two greedy, can't help themselves taking the pi55 individuals on a project.

[northernladuk]

Highly likely. Most of us will have been innocent but have still suffered in the past from one or two greedy, can't help themselves taking the pi55 individuals on a project.

I remember back in the day working when working for a perm we had full blown flexi time. Clock in and out with a card and it accrued ever 30 mins over 8 hours on a clock. It was fantastic with most taking the odd days off and some of us working a 9 day fortnight, except the workshop supervisor that did nothing but work due to a crap home life. One of those guys that had been there forever and was in the workshop dawn til dusk 7 days a week. He finally accrued over 1000 hours at which point the time machine wouldn't log them so the issue was raised and the answer was to scrap it for everyone and a long tribunal to get his hours paid out. Tw*t.

[cojak]

Sadly not - it's perfectly possible (and legal) that the umbrella has accepted the amended contract on the OP's behalf.

Working through an umbrella is a very different process, you have a contract with the umbrella, the umbrella signs / has the contract with the agency. Everything beyond that is level of nicety - which is a problem when (99% of the time) the umbrella's real customer is the agency not their contractors / employees.

The only contract that really counts is between you and the umbrella.

It's a whole different way of contracting, folks.

[Fred Bloggs]

The only contract that really counts is between you and the umbrella.

It's a whole different way of contracting, folks.

Very happy that I don't

[eek]

The only contract that really counts is between you and the umbrella.

It's a whole different way of contracting, folks.

As I've pointed out before - the actual question isn't the contract - it will be who does the umbrella think is their most important customer, is it

1) the contractor or
2) the agency they give £50,000 a year to and need to keep 100% happy to ensure they remain on that agency's PSL...

The entire reason I've spent so long working on what I'm doing is because the only way to fix this industry is to remove every reason that an agency can use to stop you working through your preferred umbrella.

Because once that's done umbrellas will only have a single master (their contractors) and some will be able to stand up to the agencies.

For other reasons see the CUK news article earlier today on umbrella chasing agency payments by Safe Collections (they don't for reasons explained in the first paragraph).