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A Sad “IR35” Day

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    #21
    Originally posted by BABABlackSheep View Post
    Actually this client doesn’t. They made all their bespoke system SME’s redundant based on the fact they were going to migrate to a digital platform. They then realised they couldn’t migrate because the old system hadn’t been documented so no one knew what it actually did and it would cost millions to re-design.

    So now they can’t develop on the old system either because they have no SME’s ?
    This is why there will always be a need for contractors/consultants to come in and rescue the mess the client management create.

    On one contract my first task was to reverse engineer a Windows app by producing a technical specification doc, so they could decide how to replace it. Was quite interesting. Maybe there will be more work like that out there soon if clients take a short sighted view and get rid of the people with the knowledge if they happen to be permitractors.
    Maybe tomorrow, I'll want to settle down. Until tomorrow, I'll just keep moving on.

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      #22
      Originally posted by BABABlackSheep View Post
      Actually this client doesn’t. They made all their bespoke system SME’s redundant based on the fact they were going to migrate to a digital platform. They then realised they couldn’t migrate because the old system hadn’t been documented so no one knew what it actually did and it would cost millions to re-design.

      So now they can’t develop on the old system either because they have no SME’s ������
      Oh dear, what a pity, never mind. While I would offer a fixed price training contract with a statement of work, it doesn't sound as if the client is sophisticated enough to accept it.

      If you were there that long I would just let the contract end in November, and be looking for a new contract with another client now (inside would be fine in this instance). Only consider staying until Feb if you want to be in contract over Christmas.
      "I can put any old tat in my sig, put quotes around it and attribute to someone of whom I've heard, to make it sound true."
      - Voltaire/Benjamin Franklin/Anne Frank...

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        #23
        Originally posted by cojak View Post
        Oh dear, what a pity, never mind. While I would offer a fixed price training contract with a statement of work, it doesn't sound as if the client is sophisticated enough to accept it.

        If you were there that long I would just let the contract end in November, and be looking for a new contract with another client now (inside would be fine in this instance). Only consider staying until Feb if you want to be in contract over Christmas.

        PS - fixed price = 5 days at your day rate (x1.5 minimum) for creating the course and then the premium per day until Feb for the training itself. That ought to cover it...
        "I can put any old tat in my sig, put quotes around it and attribute to someone of whom I've heard, to make it sound true."
        - Voltaire/Benjamin Franklin/Anne Frank...

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          #24
          Originally posted by cojak View Post
          Oh dear, what a pity, never mind. While I would offer a fixed price training contract with a statement of work, it doesn't sound as if the client is sophisticated enough to accept it.

          If you were there that long I would just let the contract end in November, and be looking for a new contract with another client now (inside would be fine in this instance). Only consider staying until Feb if you want to be in contract over Christmas.
          Contractor enforced absence over Xmas ?

          Thanks to everyone for all the comments. I’m going to do this. Decided.

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            #25
            Training others is a big part of being a contractor. Take that extension.

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              #26
              Originally posted by northernladuk View Post
              So when do you get the official determination you are inside because whatever you are going to do should be before that.
              Is the client actually going to make a determination, or is this client one of those that is making a policy decision not engage with PSCs after Feb 2020 so no determination will be required?

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                #27
                Originally posted by PerfectStorm View Post
                Training others is a big part of being a contractor. Take that extension.
                errr, no. Handover of completed work or work stream in progress - yes, give advise based on my experience - absolutely. Training permies - heck no.

                Unless your contract is for training and most are not, why would you do it? Especially under OP's circumstances.

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by sal View Post
                  errr, no. Handover of completed work or work stream in progress - yes, give advise based on my experience - absolutely. Training permies - heck no.

                  Unless your contract is for training and most are not, why would you do it? Especially under OP's circumstances.
                  Because it's a reasonable ask, I can do it very easily, and I can invoice for the trouble.

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by cojak View Post
                    Oh dear, what a pity, never mind. While I would offer a fixed price training contract with a statement of work, it doesn't sound as if the client is sophisticated enough to accept it.
                    Of course they won't accept it. The point of the fixed price sales pitch is not to win business. It's a passive aggressive move to make the client feel even worse about their eventual failure.

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by sal View Post
                      errr, no. Handover of completed work or work stream in progress - yes, give advise based on my experience - absolutely. Training permies - heck no.

                      Unless your contract is for training and most are not, why would you do it? Especially under OP's circumstances.
                      Originally posted by PerfectStorm View Post
                      Because it's a reasonable ask, I can do it very easily, and I can invoice for the trouble.
                      Surely if its not in your schedule you are hanging yourself out to dry in regard to IR35. Yes handover completed work but training is quite different ?

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