tracing who did what

[greene]

Hi there

Does anyone know if, in cases of potential fraud or negligence, it is possible to trace the following via login/e-mail address/IP address/etc. :
1) VAT, NIC and PAYE payments to HMRC
2) Companies House filings
3) payments to the above from a business Bank Account (e.g. Barclays)

I realise this can be established by contacting the respective entities, I was just after a quick answer if anyone on here knew.

Thanks in advance,
greene

[northernladuk]

You mean does HMRC record the things you list?

[greene]

You mean does HMRC record the things you list?

Hi

Thanks for replying.

What I'm driving at is whether a user id or similar is recorded in any way with a payment or a filing.

In cases of fraud, for example, Director A might say that he/she did not make a VAT payment and instead it was Director B who made that payment. Someone might need to prove that it was Director A. Otherwise it could be one director's word against another's.

[LondonPM1]

Hi

Thanks for replying.

What I'm driving at is whether a user id or similar is recorded in any way with a payment or a filing.

In cases of fraud, for example, Director A might say that he/she did not make a VAT payment and instead it was Director B who made that payment. Someone might need to prove that it was Director A. Otherwise it could be one director's word against another's.

You are giving us half the story here so have no clue what the question is ....

If directors commit fraud against the company they can be subject to civil and crimial proceedings

[VillageContractor]

I think we need more details about the situation to be able to provide an answer

[cojak]

You are giving us half the story here so have no clue what the question is ....

If directors commit fraud against the company they can be subject to civil and crimial proceedings

Both directors.

[meridian]

Hi

Thanks for replying.

What I'm driving at is whether a user id or similar is recorded in any way with a payment or a filing.

In cases of fraud, for example, Director A might say that he/she did not make a VAT payment and instead it was Director B who made that payment. Someone might need to prove that it was Director A. Otherwise it could be one director's word against another's.

Depends on how you’ve made the payment. If it’s by cheque then it will have a signature on it. If it’s by internet banking then your own bank will have the record of user Id and time of login. If it’s direct debit via the HMRC website then it will have the gateway id.

[greene]

Depends on how you’ve made the payment. If it’s by cheque then it will have a signature on it. If it’s by internet banking then your own bank will have the record of user Id and time of login. If it’s direct debit via the HMRC website then it will have the gateway id.

Perfect, many thanks.

For the others mentioning half a story, yes - maybe it's less than that! But I've already told the whole story in another thread on this forum so didn't feel like bogging this particular thread down when the question was relatively simple.

[malvolio]

Perfect, many thanks.

For the others mentioning half a story, yes - maybe it's less than that! But I've already told the whole story in another thread on this forum so didn't feel like bogging this particular thread down when the question was relatively simple.

OK, but it's the company that paid the bill. The directors manage the company and are legally and jointly responsible for it and its money. Who paid it is pretty much irrelevant 99.9% of the time. Hence the questions about only getting half a story...

[greene]

OK, but it's the company that paid the bill. The directors manage the company and are legally and jointly responsible for it and its money. Who paid it is pretty much irrelevant 99.9% of the time. Hence the questions about only getting half a story...

Well this is the 0.1% of the time as it is relevant. There's a court case running, and for obvious reasons I'm not going to put the full story here. All the VAT, NIC, PAYE is paid, that's not the issue.