Plumber wins employment rights

[TheCyclingProgrammer]

(OK, if he was really self-employed, then he would have paid full tax, but nowhere near the right NI).

Is there much difference in self-employed NIC (class 2/4) and employee NIC? Obviously the employers NIC wouldn't have been paid but that's not his liability.

[Darren at Fox-Bartfield]

NI

Is there much difference in self-employed NIC (class 2/4) and employee NIC? Obviously the employers NIC wouldn't have been paid but that's not his liability.

The class 2 won't be too much but class 4 would have been paid on his profits, so depends on the level of costs through his accounts. Whereas Employees NI will be assessed on income without any deduction for costs.

[chopper]

I think Uber drivers are different.

They do have the choice of which jobs they take and when they work, and they can work for other cab firms.

[cojak]

No he was self employed if he is found to be employed then the company employing is responsible for paying the tax. There is case law for this.

That is why IT agencies only use Ltd company contractors.

I wasn't sure if he was self-employed or a Ltd.

The company now says that they've amended the contracts.

[Darren at Fox-Bartfield]

Branding

Wonder if they've removed the branding from vans and taken back their sweatshirts as well.

[cojak]

Might be better off in a separate thread.

I was listening to the head of Pimlico on R4 this morning. He was absolutely certain that the guy supplying his own tools was an indication of self employment - because HMRC had told him so. The plumbers lawyer had won on right of substitution not being present. As I understood the reporting of course.

There are more similar cases pending, I understand.

Moved

[seeourbee]

Thanks

[NotAllThere]

His solicitor has said

"The government really needs to look at this, It's really hitting people at the bottom"

I'm not sure many people would consider an £80k a year plumber 'at the bottom'.

Solicitors obviously would though!

[barrydidit]

I wasn't sure if he was self-employed or a Ltd.

The company now says that they've amended the contracts.

Ltd, it said.

Edit - IIRC, the guy already had a Ltd and ran his own affairs, then joined Pimlico and retained his existing structure.

[TheCyclingProgrammer]

Ltd, it said.

Edit - IIRC, the guy already had a Ltd and ran his own affairs, then joined Pimlico and retained his existing structure.

Hmm, the BBC says he was paying tax on a self employed basis.