Enforced free training / IR35 Deemed issue???

[garethevans1986]

Thanks malvolio - It's only me and one other fella who have to go on the training, which they probably didn't realise they would have to do when they were decided to outsource their CRM product.

BolshieBastard - There was 6 months between when I worked for them perm and then contracting. I've contracted for somebody else in between.

GE

[JamJarST]

Also IR35 is still contract by contract. What else you do doesn't matter.

Still, as we've said before, if everyone has to do it, there's no problem. But if you have to take it to do the job, exactly why did they hire you? You're supposed to be the expert. See how it works?

Your get out of jail cards are (a) don't charge them time for attending the course and (b) if it is task specific training, pay for it yourself, directly or indirectly by free work time.

Is that really necessary? If I attend a client site and their is a mandatory safety training, I shouldn't bill?

[garethevans1986]

The training isn't anything to do with safety/security, it's training on how to use a product which the client company is then planning to use to do data migrations.

GE

[JamJarST]

The training isn't anything to do with safety/security, it's training on how to use a product which the client company is then planning to use to do data migrations.

GE

I was just using that as an example.

[garethevans1986]

I know JamJarST, I also see the point you were trying to point out.

GE

[TheFaQQer]

Is that really necessary? If I attend a client site and their is a mandatory safety training, I shouldn't bill?

No, because it's mandatory training which everyone needs to undertake. It's not direction and control, it's something that everyone needs to do.

[MarillionFan]

No, because it's mandatory training which everyone needs to undertake. It's not direction and control, it's something that everyone needs to do.

Free training? And you can bill for it!!!!

These guys are taking the mickey. Best to withhold your services immediately.

[Wanderer]

If I attend a client site and their is a mandatory safety training, I shouldn't bill?

That's a bad example because safety training could be seen as a legal requirement.

[JamJarST]

That's a bad example because safety training could be seen as a legal requirement.

Ok, so how about training on a system used by your client?

[cojak]

It'll be 3 separate days training I believe.

The client company was my last perm company I worked for. I've been brought in to do a specific project and I've also invoiced other companies for work under the same limited company whilst working on this contract.

I'm trying to stay outside of IR35 (signing in and out every day), nearly invoked the substitution clause last week but couldn't because my replacement couldn't get the time off his perm job (ex employee of the same client company), I've only really worked on the one project up to now.

The client company IT director doesn't quite understand why I can't just do what he wants me to do as he doesn't understand IR35 and why I can't be seen as an employee of the company.

I was asked to consult for the client company because of my knowledge of their systems where any other IT consultant could but would struggle because they wouldn't have this prior knowledge or experience.

Thanks
GE

Oh Dear. You've got bigger worries than a bit of training I'm afraid...

Take a look at this thread.
http://forums.contractoruk.com/busin...t-company.html