Ir35 2020

[Lance]

This is the end of contracting as we have known it. And the government estimates that a third of contractors are really disguised employees (and I am not surprised at this figure)

Judging by the people I've met it's more like 2/3rds....

[DimPrawn]

Personally I think 90% of current IT contractors will be classified as inside IR35 by big clients (forced by their risk / human remains depts).

To me this marks the effective end of meaningful IT contracting in the UK.

Thankfully I should be retired by then.

[Lance]

That last bit depends on how many cases we see between now and there where contractors claim employment benefits forcing a re-appraisal of their status. We've seen two cases recently that impacted both the end client and the agencies involved due to poor management of the assessment process. More of those will highlight that declaring al contracts as inside still carries risk and potential liabilities.

It's not a done deal yet, and I still think there will be room for and demand for contractors to work outside IR35. It will take effort from both sides to make it work.

I totally agree with this ^^^^^

A truly independent contractor is a valuable resource for a client. Client's will make it work where they need to.

Where they don't need the independence, and need control , i.e. just bums on seats they want to be able to bin at short notice, they'll just declare, correctly, as inside.

The lessons learned in the public sector before April 2020 will only reinforce this.

[fiisch]

You've been contracting how long?

Two years off and on, but don’t see the relevance to the quote as I’m clearly referencing legislation in general, not specific legislation affecting independent contractors.

[northernladuk]

Two years off and on, but don’t see the relevance to the quote as I’m clearly referencing legislation in general, not specific legislation affecting independent contractors.

Because you clearly aren't a contractor.

[vadhert]

Looks like I moved to Jersey at the right time.

13% seems much more reasonable even in permiedom.

[LondonPM1]

Looks like I moved to Jersey at the right time.

13% seems much more reasonable even in permiedom.

On what sort of salary expressed in gbp?

13% of 30K is not great = 13% of 300K is better

[ZARDOZ]

Personally I think 90% of current IT contractors will be classified as inside IR35 by big clients (forced by their risk / human remains depts).

To me this marks the effective end of meaningful IT contracting in the UK.

I expect this is closest to the truth under the current model. HR departments are risk adverse. If it ends up with a skills shortage they will lobby for fast track visas for Bob contractors on crap rates who aspire to be permie.

The only hope is effective lobbying for a new model of contracting. Eg. One where the contractor bids for a contract/work order all in, no requirements on hours worked, location, supervision. It just becomes about the deliverable. I have done this, many could do this, it just requires a cultural shift to make it more common.

[Six It]

well.. my current contract ends July 2019.
i have just been asked if i wanted to keep on working with the organisation after that contract (<2yrs)- in another role/ part of the country on a different project - but with this all going on - i might just start asking around for work in the ME..

[fiisch]

Because you clearly aren't a contractor.

I’m not an accountant nor chancellor of the exchequer either. I didn’t realise these factors prohibit me from having an opinion....

I clearly am a contractor. My job description says I am.