Are we really thinking of off payroll rules for Private Sector?

[MarkT]

Seems to me that prior to the last few budgets/statements this site and others like it have been blind sided with the attacks on Contractors. They've not been able to predict anything from the red box, and have looked a little embarassed afterwards.
There's nothing to be embarassed about, nobody coudl imagine a government so hell bent on screwing us over.

However I noticed the headline on the site this morning about the public sector IR35 rules coming to the private sector. While I am not doubting the desire to do this within HMRC, I can't help but think that this is simply trying to call it just in case it happens.

It may well happen one day, but before the end of this parliament is unlikely and given that the tool is throwing up "outside" at almost everyone, it's clearly no where near ready to be implemented in a far more complex world of the private sector.

[DotasScandal]

Never underestimate a Chancellor's potential for stupidity. It's probably coming.

[LondonManc]

The PR on this is very simple; we're all tax-evading scum.

The problem is that they're the ones with the microphone so get heard far more than we do. Nobody will pick up and run with the argument about us being unable to claim any employment benefit whatsoever despite being taxed like one.

[SueEllen]

The PR on this is very simple; we're all tax-evading scum.

The problem is that they're the ones with the microphone so get heard far more than we do. Nobody will pick up and run with the argument about us being unable to claim any employment benefit whatsoever despite being taxed like one.

You can claim unemployment benefit though.

[northernladuk]

Seems to me that prior to the last few budgets/statements this site and others like it have been blind sided with the attacks on Contractors. They've not been able to predict anything from the red box, and have looked a little embarassed afterwards.

Embarrassed? Where do you get that from?

We had a lot of notice on some things that have come our way. Divi tax, changes to SDC for brollies, VAT changes... What do you think has blind sided us? Are you sure you weren't aware so assuming the rest of us weren't?

Could you give us some examples of what we were blindsided with... and if there is anything why that is something to be embarrassed about.

We certainly can't be blindsided by the implementation of this in to the Public Sector. We've been discussing it for months. We even had a sweepstake when we thought it would come in.

[LondonManc]

You can claim unemployment benefit though.

Well that's great. Rather than letting lots of tax payers keep paying into the pot, they're forcing them to take money from the put instead. You really couldn't make this up.

[teapot418]

... given that the tool is throwing up "outside" at almost everyone...

Methinks that people are being a little optimistic about how their client will view their RoS and D&C if this is the case.

[DotasScandal]

Well that's great. Rather than letting lots of tax payers keep paying into the pot, they're forcing them to take money from the put instead. You really couldn't make this up.

They are not capable of connecting these dots, and they simply don't care. The same logic was displayed when asked whether they'd make people bankrupt over APNs (even though it means these guys will go straight onto the dole) rather than accepting a reasonable payment plan that would allow the contractors to keep contracting (the answer was a resounding "YES, we'll make all of you bankrupt".)

[LondonManc]

They are not capable of connecting these dots, as they simply don't care. The same logic was displayed when asked whether they'd make people bankrupt over APNs, even though it means these guys will go straight onto the dole, rather than accepting a reasonable payment plan that would allow the contractor to keep contracting (the answer was a resounding "YES, we'll make all of you bankrupt".)

It should stop surprising us after a while, shouldn't it?

[MrMarkyMark]

They are not capable of connecting these dots, and they simply don't care. The same logic was displayed when asked whether they'd make people bankrupt over APNs (even though it means these guys will go straight onto the dole) rather than accepting a reasonable payment plan that would allow the contractors to keep contracting (the answer was a resounding "YES, we'll make all of you bankrupt".)

Regardless of whether they were on a scheme and the view you might have on them, that is absolutely wrong.
Must admit I always had trouble with the law change, then retro grab after.

It seems to have set a precedence for the upcoming PS changes and possible retro grab.