Will Hector come after Public Sector Contractors

**DotasScandal** · 3 November 2016, 09:58

Originally posted by Semtex View Post

Retrospectively after the IR35 change comes into force?

Looking at their actions of the past 2 years, what do you think?

**Unix** · 3 November 2016, 10:57

I don't think it will happen at all, will be delayed or a total failure and rolled back.

**northernladuk** · 3 November 2016, 11:01

This. Making the bloody thing stick is going to be an uphill battle for them let alone trying to go down the retrospective line so I'm not worried about it at the moment.

**youngguy** · 3 November 2016, 11:13

I've heard rumours of a delay .....no concrete evidence but the obvious challenges (the tool, working out how to actually make it work) are apparently rearing their head

**DotasScandal** · 3 November 2016, 11:21

Heard a rumor that some contractors working on that stupid IR35 "tool" have resigned over...IR35.
If true we not quite sure what level of irony this is.

**LondonManc** · 3 November 2016, 11:37

Make IR35 easy and go off day rate - if you're special(ised) enough, then you should be outside. Thoughts?

**gables** · 3 November 2016, 11:42

Originally posted by LondonManc View Post

Make IR35 easy and go off day rate - if you're special(ised) enough, then you should be outside. Thoughts?

Hey LM, I'm having a thick moment, what do you mean? Fixed price?

**LondonManc** · 3 November 2016, 11:51

Originally posted by gables View Post

Hey LM, I'm having a thick moment, what do you mean? Fixed price?

I'm just saying that IR35 is meant to catch disguised employees - if you're over a certain day rate then you're a specialist brought on for a project (in theory). The only problem is that this may affect the market in other ways.

**youngguy** · 3 November 2016, 12:08

As we are throwing ideas around....

Why dont engagers just determine whether a role is employment, ir35 caught or specialist and advertise accordingly....understanding markets rates for each. Also they can't have their cake: employment comes with rights. Ir35 is the quasi 'working like an employee but don't wanna be so can't claim T and S' .Specialist is b2b we all know and love.

Contractual risk separates the three, which results in different taxation.

You cannot be engaged as a specialist and pay employee taxes , but you can't have rights. You also can't be engaged for longer than a certain period of time (eg two or three yrs) unless you then transfer to being ir35 caught or some form of employment.

Simplistic I know, but why make it anymore complex ?

Will Hector come after Public Sector Contractors