Public sector IR35 consultation launched

[eek]

What DaveB says. They've cleaned gcloud up recently and moved a lot of agents off that in to CL1. There 'maybe' ways around it but you'd need to be something special. A new contractor off the street? You'll be lucky.

It's remarkable how joined up HMG appear to be at the moment. Shame that the consequences could be their skilled staff disappearing elsewhere taking the knowledge with them...

[gables]

I guess the question here is 'Do they have any other route to bring in contractors than CL1?'
Again we are talking for very special knowledge that no permie has at the moment, or had before.
Also, is this UK thing or England only?

I knew I had seen this question somewhere... So is it England only? Here in Scotland, where I am, they've not heard of Clone, in fact the intranet has details of two frameworks (for different type of resource) with agency details who are contacted directly.

So presumably, if I were to continue here, it would be under the current situation?

[jamesbrown]

More than 100 BBC stars facing tax avoidance probes, HMRC reveals

[QCApproved]

Squeaky Bum Time

The inquiries go back to 2006 - is this the thin end of the wedge?
At least they will not be sent an APN and will have some genuine litigation process. As HMRC win 90% (recently updated) of their cases we await the arguments presented.

[Fred Bloggs]

More than 100 BBC stars facing tax avoidance probes, HMRC reveals

I have zero sympathy for the BBC presenters. They are told when to turn up, what programme to present, where to sit and to read from an auto cue. If that isn't D&C then I don't know what is. I hope the IR35 book is thrown at them, very hard.

[difficulttimes]

I think people should be careful what they wish for...
I find the timing of this as very convenient with the IR35 test coming the public sector's way. High profile BBC presenters which will get picked up by the press and the public will take HMRC's side.

The articles in mainstream media are also very misleading so I'm sure the press release has been written by the 'nudge' unit. The most important take away is:

The tribunal case itself doesn’t concern the IR35 decision, but rather the BBC’s application to provide evidence as a non-party.

It seems like the BBC would provide evidence that would kill the case in an instant and HMRC are trying to block it - but I could be off the mark!

re: IR35: I would be very surprised if a) the presenters had compliance checks on this dating back to 2006 if they have had any at all, b) didn't have IR35 insurance c) the PSCs are probably now closed so harder for HMRC to do anything about.

In terms of D&C, yes they probably had more than most Ltd. Co contractors but still 80-90% of contractors out there who are interim covering permanent posts would have no less D&C .. But you are forgetting the 'S' - supervision and I would assume they would have had none. I would also argue that presenters would have a lot of control - but that is only from watching the Newsroom with no first hand experience.

But as I said I would be very careful would you wish for...

[Fred Bloggs]

FTAOD, I don't wish for anything re ir35. I'm as far away from ir35 as it possible to get.

[SueEllen]

I think people should be careful what they wish for...
I find the timing of this as very convenient with the IR35 test coming the public sector's way. High profile BBC presenters which will get picked up by the press and the public will take HMRC's side.

The articles in mainstream media are also very misleading so I'm sure the press release has been written by the 'nudge' unit. The most important take away is:

The tribunal case itself doesn’t concern the IR35 decision, but rather the BBC’s application to provide evidence as a non-party.

It seems like the BBC would provide evidence that would kill the case in an instant and HMRC are trying to block it - but I could be off the mark!

re: IR35: I would be very surprised if a) the presenters had compliance checks on this dating back to 2006 if they have had any at all, b) didn't have IR35 insurance c) the PSCs are probably now closed so harder for HMRC to do anything about.

In terms of D&C, yes they probably had more than most Ltd. Co contractors but still 80-90% of contractors out there who are interim covering permanent posts would have no less D&C .. But you are forgetting the 'S' - supervision and I would assume they would have had none. I would also argue that presenters would have a lot of control - but that is only from watching the Newsroom with no first hand experience.

But as I said I would be very careful would you wish for...

I don't think so.

From the people I've know and met in TV loads of people are freelance. While the presenters have the most public face there are producers, editors, researchers, cameramen etc who are anonymous to the public so in theory can work any of the smaller production companies/their own projects while working for the Beeb. (They won't because of the working hours.) Then there are some experts who pop up on random channels even though you see them on the Beeb a lot, and some people can do more than one role.

I suspect HMRC doesn't want the Beeb to turn up because apart from a few presenters it's these people they are after.

[difficulttimes]

Webinar for anyone interested in the IR35 changes

https://www.ipse.co.uk/events/tue-11...sector-webinar

[youngguy]

http://www.computerweekly.com/news/4...form=hootsuite