Public sector IR35 consultation launched

[Hobosapien]

You'd expect the changes would be applied on the first day of the new tax year as T&S was. This doesn't really have anything to do with the actual contract.

Train crash alert. Wrong type of contractors on the line. All those clueless employee disguised contractors operating via clueless agencies your stop was April 2017 and the end of the line is now a massive fine or jail time. Bon voyage, Hector.

[LondonManc]

Train crash alert. Wrong type of contractors on the line. All those clueless employee disguised contractors operating via clueless agencies your stop was April 2017 and the end of the line is now a massive fine or jail time. Bon voyage, Hector.

It could be a roundabout way of achieving what they're setting out to achieve. The death of BoS permietractors isn't a bad thing.

[youngguy]

You'd expect the changes would be applied on the first day of the new tax year as T&S was. This doesn't really have anything to do with the actual contract.

True I guess much like a vat change. I guess then a contractor potentially walks and invokes a termination process

[MrMarkyMark]

I believe they are using MOD as a pilot scheme, it will be interesting to see how it goes

[youngguy]

I believe they are using MOD as a pilot scheme, it will be interesting to see how it goes

In your experience are people leaving, renegotiating or accepting it?

[MrMarkyMark]

In your experience are people leaving, renegotiating or accepting it?

Not me, but there is someone who has just quit there on here....a search should locate him.

[westtester]

In your experience are people leaving, renegotiating or accepting it?

Speaking from experience, there is no renegotiation to be had. As contract reviews are no longer acceptable, there is no way to prove conclusively that you are outside IR35 to their satisfaction. No rate rises are being considered either, it really is a take it or leave it situation. I think the threat of fines for non-compliance is driving the intransigent position.

With the alternative being the umbrella company route or joining the payroll, pretty much every contractor is going to be leaving. I've already gone back to a private sector gig.

[LondonManc]

Speaking from experience, there is no renegotiation to be had. As contract reviews are no longer acceptable, there is no way to prove conclusively that you are outside IR35 to their satisfaction. No rate rises are being considered either, it really is a take it or leave it situation. I think the threat of fines for non-compliance is driving the intransigent position.

With the alternative being the umbrella company route or joining the payroll, pretty much every contractor is going to be leaving. I've already gone back to a private sector gig.

What does that mean? Does that mean that a QDOS review could place you outside IR35 but hard cheese, you're still inside as far as they're concerned?

[youngguy]

Speaking from experience, there is no renegotiation to be had. As contract reviews are no longer acceptable, there is no way to prove conclusively that you are outside IR35 to their satisfaction. No rate rises are being considered either, it really is a take it or leave it situation. I think the threat of fines for non-compliance is driving the intransigent position.

With the alternative being the umbrella company route or joining the payroll, pretty much every contractor is going to be leaving. I've already gone back to a private sector gig.

Interesting. I guess it is then a case of PS realising in a few months they have a massive resource shortage,or the bug 4 swooping in (no doubt having hoovered up a load of contractors). That is a way for 'rates to rise' as PS seem to be happy to pay anything for consultants

[eek]

Interesting. I guess it is then a case of PS realising in a few months they have a massive resource shortage,or the bug 4 swooping in (no doubt having hoovered up a load of contractors). That is a way for 'rates to rise' as PS seem to be happy to pay anything for consultants

This is where it gets fun.... Go and read example 3 on page 14

Example 3: Contract that involves workers providing services to the public sector.
A consultancy PLC contracts to provide on-site consultancy services at the Ministry. This
consists of ten information management consultants to work in the Ministry’s policy unit for up
to six months, as well as some software and online support. The supply of ten staff in this
contract would be within the scope of the proposed measure. The consultancy would need to
use the online tool and consider the new rules. They need to operate tax and National
Insurance on the payments to the PSCs. The PSCs would need to give information to the
consultancy such as the worker’s name, address and National Insurance Number so that the
consultancy could add them to their payroll.

They can't employ contractors via the consultancies... Only permie staff can be realistically used....