Just received this from our contact at HMRC

[LisaContractorUmbrella]

You beat me to it Eek - just got the exact same email

[eek]

You beat me to it Eek - just got the exact same email

Just wanted to emphasis the bit in Red as that isn't part of the Blue Book (the autumn statement for those who don't understand those terms)..

[jamesbrown]

Just wanted to emphasis the bit in Red as that isn't part of the Blue Book (the autumn statement for those who don't understand those terms)..

Yeah, that's very interesting, and it's exactly what I was looking out for on December 9. I thought it was odd that they didn't provide this clarification in the Blue Book, because there clearly has to be a test for umbrellas, and they were clearly linking the Intermediaries test to non-umbrellas (i.e. PSCs). In other words, this is pretty much as expected, but it's interesting that they've clarified it already rather than wait for December 9.

It doesn't necessarily mean that they will opt for SDC with IR35, but it clearly leans that way and implies that the haven't bought the arguments about SDC being no less subjective.

[mudskipper]

You beat me to it Eek - just got the exact same email

Me too - I wondered how SDC for brollies will work.

[mudskipper]

.... and it should be affected!

[mudskipper]

It also says

"More details will become available on 9 December 2015 when draft legislation will be published."

So we should have full details then.

[teapot418]

Yeah, that's very interesting, and it's exactly what I was looking out for on December 9. I thought it was odd that they didn't provide this clarification in the Blue Book, because there clearly has to be a test for umbrellas, and they were clearly linking the Intermediaries test to non-umbrellas (i.e. PSCs). In other words, this is pretty much as expected, but it's interesting that they've clarified it already rather than wait for December 9.

It doesn't necessarily mean that they will opt for SDC with IR35, but it clearly leans that way and implies that the haven't bought the arguments about SDC being no less subjective.

With a bit of luck it will be so unworkable, they'll drop the whole silly idea.

[LondonManc]

With a bit of luck it will be so unworkable, they'll drop the whole silly idea.

With a bit of luck, they'll come up with a proper contractual test. It should simply refer to the rights of a permanent employee and a ticklist against those. Anyone scoring over a certain threshold is inside IR35 and even an interim level for agency workers who could go on a different tax model to reflect the risks related to their type of work.

[BolshieBastard]

With a bit of luck it will be so unworkable, they'll drop the whole silly idea.

Dont hold your breath!

[LisaContractorUmbrella]

It also says

"More details will become available on 9 December 2015 when draft legislation will be published."

So we should have full details then.

Yep that's the new D Day - we should know then how all of this is going to work in practice - until then it's all guesswork