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[edison]

That is true. IT projects delivering certain systems need to be regulated and consistently built to a specified standard. If a system isn't properly built it could affect the outcome of trials, give false readings, etc. System development and testing has to be robust to make sure that any upgrades don't affect expected outcomes. You almost have to think of the IT as being part of the overall experimental method.

Agreed but in my case it was a CRM system. I had to sit down with the PM and IT Compliance Manager at the start of the project to review a checklist of 75 project related documents and agree which ones I could get away without doing and which were mandatory etc.

[BrilloPad]

Gov.uk are twunts.

Short & Sweet / Blue & Red (Yellow never really count).

They are great at pressing the small man to the edge of the precipice, and then ripping his wallet out of his back-pocket as he teeters over the edge.

They are even better at that than divorce solicitors.

[Scruff]

Gov.uk are twunts.

Short & Sweet / Blue & Red (Yellow never really count).

They are great at pressing the small man to the edge of the precipice, and then ripping his wallet out of his back-pocket as he teeters over the edge.

[Pragmatist]

Welcome.

Contracting is going to get seriously tougher in the years to come. Market will shrink and a majority of roles will be inside so 30 to 40% cut in income. Rocking on for years in outside gigs will be a thing of the past.

If I had the opportunity and flexibility to move the family anywhere to follow the lifestyle I'd be gone in a heartbeat.

I've been looking around for other opinions and most contractors seem clueless about IR35 and the implications, or just have their head in the sand.
It's actually really frustrating as it's so difficult to find informed opinions.

I've been keeping an eye on the Off-Payroll link ShandyDrinker provided and it's becoming clearer that you were accurate with your post.
In fact, it seems worse - way more blanket bans than I expected. The job market is dead and I'm not even seeing any of these Inside IR35 roles.

I've started discussing emigration with the wife and we are putting a plan together, I just don't see a future here now.

[ladymuck]

Questions
1. Are the Conservatives ideologically committed to IR35? Will they reverse it, if it's evident that it's causing economic damage?
2. It's unlikely the Conservatives will last another 3 years, certainly not Boris Johnson. How likely is Labour to reverse it?

1. You're forgetting that the HMRC tail is wagging the HMT dog. It's gone beyond which flavour of government is in the hot seat.
2. Labour were the party who introduced the legislation...

[ladymuck]

I wasn't even specifically referring to drugs. From my experience at one pharma, even the IT projects side was ridiculously compliance heavy.

That is true. IT projects delivering certain systems need to be regulated and consistently built to a specified standard. If a system isn't properly built it could affect the outcome of trials, give false readings, etc. System development and testing has to be robust to make sure that any upgrades don't affect expected outcomes. You almost have to think of the IT as being part of the overall experimental method.

[northernladuk]

To long. Didn't read.

1. No
2. Dunno

HTH

[Pragmatist]

Sorry, I meant to add that my last remaining UK client - is now wobbling over IR35.

This is another reversal and very much unexpected.

I have prepared for this situation financially for years, so I'm not panicking, but the future in the UK is starting to look very bleak indeed.

[Pragmatist]

1. Are the Conservatives ideologically committed to IR35? Will they reverse it, if it's evident that it's causing economic damage?
2. It's unlikely the Conservatives will last another 3 years, certainly not Boris Johnson. How likely is Labour to reverse it?

[Pragmatist]

Welcome.

Contracting is going to get seriously tougher in the years to come. Market will shrink and a majority of roles will be inside so 30 to 40% cut in income. Rocking on for years in outside gigs will be a thing of the past.

If I had the opportunity and flexibility to move the family anywhere to follow the lifestyle I'd be gone in a heartbeat.

Thank you for the advice.
Not what I want to hear, but better to hear the honest truth.

[northernladuk]

I wasn't even specifically referring to drugs. From my experience at one pharma, even the IT projects side was ridiculously compliance heavy.

Interesting. Didn't see that but maybe not exposed to enough of the business to come across it.

[edison]

Regulation of the drugs vs keeping an eye on their contractors which are usually via small consultancies or in house recruitment teams are a world apart. I don't think they've a clue what their contractors are doing. If they did they wouldn't have them in posts for 8 years and counting. I know we say contractors are the same price as permies on the charge sheets but keeping them that long is just a waste of money.

I wasn't even specifically referring to drugs. From my experience at one pharma, even the IT projects side was ridiculously compliance heavy.

[northernladuk]

I've lost count of the number of times I've been aproached to work at AZ, mostly as a perm but once was as a contractor. Their whole recruiting process always seemed hopelessly bad and other people who I've passed on opportunities to have had a similar experience with them.

It wouldn't surprise me if AZ ended up being another GSK but you would think that a company operating in one of the most tightly regulated and compliance driven industries would surely be on top of such compliance?

Regulation of the drugs vs keeping an eye on their contractors which are usually via small consultancies or in house recruitment teams are a world apart. I don't think they've a clue what their contractors are doing. If they did they wouldn't have them in posts for 8 years and counting. I know we say contractors are the same price as permies on the charge sheets but keeping them that long is just a waste of money.

[ladymuck]

I've lost count of the number of times I've been aproached to work at AZ, mostly as a perm but once was as a contractor. Their whole recruiting process always seemed hopelessly bad and other people who I've passed on opportunities to have had a similar experience with them.

It wouldn't surprise me if AZ ended up being another GSK but you would think that a company operating in one of the most tightly regulated and compliance driven industries would surely be on top of such compliance?

[edison]

I did a long stint at AZ and had to leave as it was becoming untenable from an IR35 perspective. Lot of people been there for eight years plus. It's another GSK waiting to happen.

I've lost count of the number of times I've been aproached to work at AZ, mostly as a perm but once was as a contractor. Their whole recruiting process always seemed hopelessly bad and other people who I've passed on opportunities to have had a similar experience with them.

It wouldn't surprise me if AZ ended up being another GSK but you would think that a company operating in one of the most tightly regulated and compliance driven industries would surely be on top of such compliance?