Reply to: Employer National Insurance IR35

[gables]

An easing of the bitterness from all those years of servitude and under-performance while the bigger boys and girls spotted an opportunity and earned a mint.

Happy to report that we're mostly still earning a mint and those who return to permiedom will probably do so temporarily until another opportunity arises, whether here or overseas. That's the thing about contractors, they don't sit on their backsides wishing things were different.

(OP: sorry to derail your thread, but this is probably good for General now )

Yep, spot on, a tactical move I've called it. But given said permie role I'm now in is 12 miles away from home along quiet rural roads but paying city salary, so far so good :-)

[BR14]

Are we looking at a troll here chaps?

you might say that.....
I can't possibly comment.

[cojak]

Are we looking at a troll here chaps?

[jamesbrown]

Interesting that you then chose to join a contractor forum. What did you hope to achieve or contribute?

An easing of the bitterness from all those years of servitude and under-performance while the bigger boys and girls spotted an opportunity and earned a mint.

Happy to report that we're mostly still earning a mint and those who return to permiedom will probably do so temporarily until another opportunity arises, whether here or overseas. That's the thing about contractors, they don't sit on their backsides wishing things were different.

(OP: sorry to derail your thread, but this is probably good for General now )

[MDB2610]

Employer National Insurance IR35

Why are you on a forum for contractors then?

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[KinooOrKinog]

Never been a contractor for a day in my life, never been in a job that would warrant a contractor employment type.

That’s the point, many contractor roles should be classified as perm

Why are you on a forum for contractors then?

[ladymuck]

Never been a contractor for a day in my life, never been in a job that would warrant a contractor employment type.

That’s the point, many contractor roles should be classified as perm

Interesting that you then chose to join a contractor forum. What did you hope to achieve or contribute?

[MDB2610]

Employer National Insurance IR35

And you weren't good enough to be a contractor?

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[Highland]

And you weren't good enough to be a contractor?

In all seriousness - if I was perm getting a poor salary like £300-400 per week as contractors around me earned sensible money, I'd probably have a large chip on my shoulder too.

Ouch.

[BrilloPad]

No, spent years around “contractors” who are now bitching about being caught out and having to join the real world

And you weren't good enough to be a contractor?

[MDB2610]

Employer National Insurance IR35

I see you’ve spent you first eight posts whining about contractors. Depressed permie in a dead-end job?

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[ladymuck]

I see you’ve spent you first eight posts whining about contractors. Depressed permie in a dead-end job?

Daily Mail peddler of nonsense? (they don't deserve to be called journalists)

[jamesbrown]

But unlike a normal employee you’re earning 300/400+ per day whereas they’re earning that in a week.

I’m sure you’ll cope

I see you’ve spent you first eight posts whining about contractors. Depressed permie in a dead-end job?

[MDB2610]

Employer National Insurance IR35

The greatest unfairness with I35 is that you pay Employer NI as well as Employee NI and Income Tax.

So you actually pay more tax than an employee. But have minimal employment benefits.

Further reform is needed.


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[malvolio]

I’d say that biggest whoosh moment is that if a hirer expects you to devote all of your efforts to their business and act in all respects as an employee, pay employment taxes and negate their exposure, then contractors need to negotiate higher rates, that’s what self employed people do, whether HMRC agrees that they’re self employed or not.


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Well it's a nice thought. Snag is, your top rate is driven by the least informed of your peers and the market rate is driven by people working for fourpence an hour. Unless you have something quite specific, rate negotiations are out of your control.