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Previously on "Will Hector come after Public Sector Contractors"
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Originally posted by eek View PostKnow anyone who knows how to fill in those Tenders? Can see a market there for someone to help and guide until people know what they are doing....
You have to create an account, get a DUNS number and put what services you will offer. I think they then tell you in about a month whether you have been accepted as a supplier. Assuming you have, you can then "apply" for roles. I've not done it myself so not sure how that bit of the process works,but it appears to basically be a CV.
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Originally posted by eek View PostI'm not so sure. It was in the papers last weekend which didn't really feature the sacrifice changes, this week we have the sacrifice changes with few mentions of the PSC changes. Also a conversation on Friday morning didn't imply any changes - their viewpoint was that the implied Uber changes was an issue for other departments....
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Originally posted by jamesbrown View PostI'm starting to wonder if they haven't decided to punt this. I guess the balance of probability is still that they'll go ahead, but I see nothing in the Sunday papers, and it's one of those measures (avoidance) that would often get leaked. There were two major consultations out that I'm aware of; one on the PS reforms and one on salary sacrifice. The latter is all over the papers. I know they're way behind schedule and several PS agencies have asked for this to be punted.
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I'm starting to wonder if they haven't decided to punt this. I guess the balance of probability is still that they'll go ahead, but I see nothing in the Sunday papers, and it's one of those measures (avoidance) that would often get leaked. There were two major consultations out that I'm aware of; one on the PS reforms and one on salary sacrifice. The latter is all over the papers. I know they're way behind schedule and several PS agencies have asked for this to be punted.
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Originally posted by bobspud View PostGoing to go through the process myself soon I will let you know how it goes. By the way if you look at cl one page the documents have been quietly changed… They no longer say that the civil servant must hold SD&C rights in all cases.
I think we see a light at the end of the tunnel...
http://ccs-agreements.cabinetoffice....%20Generic.pdf (Jul 16 version)
http://ccs-agreements.cabinetoffice....%20%281%29.pdf (Sep 16 version)
There is a new user guide dated 18 November
http://ccs-agreements.cabinetoffice....11.16.docx.pdf
Edit: Previous version http://ccs-agreements.cabinetoffice....2.06.16%20.pdf
Again, I don't think the changes are material.Last edited by mudskipper; 20 November 2016, 07:49.
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my take on the change is the demand the the hirer MUST exercise SD&C has vanished. The original version I posted links to was a railroad to paid holidays. This new version has pulled back from that but either way we all now know that agency working rights kicks in retrospectively as soon as the department says we must be inside...
At least we all know that there will be a wind fall to pay hector even if we nicked his wallet to do it
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Originally posted by bobspud View PostGoing to go through the process myself soon I will let you know how it goes. By the way if you look at cl one page the documents have been quietly changed… They no longer say that the civil servant must hold SD&C rights in all cases.
I think we see a light at the end of the tunnel...
the generic guide is still the one from September http://ccs-agreements.cabinetoffice....%20%281%29.pdf and that version still has:-
If the department hirer is responsible for the work done, then the role is classified as Contingent Labour.
and above that:-
Supervision and direction is provided by the hirer within the department/team that hires the worker.
The hirer within the department/team that hires the worker carries the responsibility for outcomes of work, not the agency/supplier that provides the worker.
Contingent Labour generally covers the below roles:
• Interim Managers
• Specialist Contractors
• Administration and Clerical Workers
• Operational WorkersLast edited by eek; 19 November 2016, 09:00.
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Originally posted by eek View PostKnow anyone who knows how to fill in those Tenders? Can see a market there for someone to help and guide until people know what they are doing....
I think we see a light at the end of the tunnel...
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Originally posted by bobspud View PostIf you watch the digital Market place you will see more and more invitations to tender for work. these are what the majority of agencies are feeding off. If you are a real contractor you might consider ways of getting in the way of the Agencies and applying directly to the market place. But more importantly, even if you take the role through an agent, Digital Market place sets the deliverables and scope of the agreement so all they need to do is ask for a skilled resource to follow a five phase delivery schedule. and that is what the supplier has to fulfil.
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Originally posted by SueEllen View PostThe problem with that is the people who do the work aren't the same as those who write the contract.
So while I can easily write my own schedule which the client staff dealing with the budget will agree with, the agency will block it.
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Originally posted by eek View PostThey are tasked to find a body, they find a body....
I thought it was obvious - if you want to move out of the body shop game you need to escape the agency....
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Originally posted by eek View PostThey are tasked to find a body, they find a body....
I thought it was obvious - if you want to move out of the body shop game you need to escape the agency....
You then have a fight on your hands getting all the nasty clauses removed that are not relevant due to the direct engagement.
This fight delayed my start for a week this time around and required around 30 mails and the intervention of senior management to "fix" the problem.
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Originally posted by LondonManc View PostIt does make you wonder what their purpose is; clearly there's no sense of account management with many of them and they're simply sales people without commercial acumen.
I thought it was obvious - if you want to move out of the body shop game you need to escape the agency....
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Originally posted by MrMarkyMark View PostOr just write their own BS one in (if you are lucky enough to get one in the 1st place).
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