Reply to: Just got Visual Studio 2010 premium

[escapeUK]

You would be surprised how quickly you get used to it, it differentiates the menu from other text. There is a lot of usability study behind this. Did you think some mongo came in one day and said "let use all caps in menus for lulz"?

Is it the same mongo who removed the start button from Windows 8?

[VectraMan]

The chap concerned was talking about the run times of compute bound programs produced by VS, not compile times. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.

That's what I thought you meant. But, is there a 64-bit Visual Studio? I didn't think there was, I thought the one 32-bit version produced 64-bit code. So how could someone have installed the wrong version? And how could he have built a 64-bit program as a 32-bit program without realising it, which is what I thought you were saying, and for that matter, why would a 32-bit program be any slower anyway?

It sense no make.

[Sysman]

That makes no sense whatsoever.

VS2010 was faster at compiling C++ than the previous versions, and although I never did a comparison it supposedly produced faster code too.

The chap concerned was talking about the run times of compute bound programs produced by VS, not compile times. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.

[AtW]

Yikes, VC++ 6.

It was codenamed ... Aspen

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microso...6.0_.281998.29

[d000hg]

Yikes, VC++ 6. I remember when we jumped from that to 2k5 on a massive codebase.

[VectraMan]

I came across a discussion recently where someone was complaining that his VS 2012 C++ programs had slower execution times than expected.

It turned out that the installation package had put the 32 bit version in by default. By installing the 64 bit version he got the expected performance back.

Just something to check...

That makes no sense whatsoever.

VS2010 was faster at compiling C++ than the previous versions, and although I never did a comparison it supposedly produced faster code too. Unfortunately they rewrote intellisense and bollocksed it up completely, and didn't bother implementing it at all for C++/CLI, which to be honest was probably a blessing as it meant a lot less random lock ups.

What I'm currently working on has to build in VC6 . Fortunately I've cobbled together a debug build in VS2005, so it's not too hideous to work on, but I have to live with it asserting and various bits of the app not working correctly as a result. Trying to use anything newer results in too many issues with dependent libraries that I have no way of rebuilding.

[AtW]

I came across a discussion recently where someone was complaining that his VS 2012 C++ programs had slower execution times than expected.

For C/C++ I found that Intel compiler on Intel CPUs in unbeatable - it's possible to integrate it within VS as backend, so you get nice IDE but compiler is from Intel. Microsoft also did not allow inline assembly in 64-bit mode in VS 2008 for some reason, but it worked nicely in Intel compiler even in same IDE.

[Sysman]

Yes, I am using it on Win 7 64 bit.

Have not tried C++, but for C# they are actually quicker than VS 2008 to build things and to debug, so well worth upgrading.

Intellisense has improved compared to VS 2008, overall it's a very good result - I just wish they invested their resources into something other than Metro tulip.

I came across a discussion recently where someone was complaining that his VS 2012 C++ programs had slower execution times than expected.

It turned out that the installation package had put the 32 bit version in by default. By installing the 64 bit version he got the expected performance back.

Just something to check...

[AtW]

Did you think some mongo came in one day and said "let use all caps in menus for lulz"?

Yes.

His name was Sinofsky.

He got fired for being such a mongo.

Few months before Win 8 release I've posted a few comments in his blog that I can't wait for Win 8 because he'd get fired quickly after, they never made post moderation but VS 2012 team's blog was more open minded about it

[d000hg]

You would be surprised how quickly you get used to it, it differentiates the menu from other text. There is a lot of usability study behind this. Did you think some mongo came in one day and said "let use all caps in menus for lulz"?

What about all the usability studies over the last 10-15 years which HASN'T said all-caps is best? MS spend $billions on UX and yet 95,98,ME,2000,XP,Vista and W7 are without these things.

[AtW]

Are you using it on W7 - you'd recommend it for generic C++/C# development on a regular dev PC?

Yes, I am using it on Win 7 64 bit.

Have not tried C++, but for C# they are actually quicker than VS 2008 to build things and to debug, so well worth upgrading.

Intellisense has improved compared to VS 2008, overall it's a very good result - I just wish they invested their resources into something other than Metro tulip.

[VectraMan]

I've been using VS2005. It's great: everything is so fast, it doesn't randomly lock up in the middle of typing, and intellisense actually provides useful information rather than freezing the machine for 30 seconds and still not finding the definition.

[LatteLiberal]

Maybe he doesn't want any of the 2012 features, and isn't keen on ALL CAPS.

You would be surprised how quickly you get used to it, it differentiates the menu from other text. There is a lot of usability study behind this. Did you think some mongo came in one day and said "let use all caps in menus for lulz"?

[d000hg]

VS 2012 is worth upgrading to - ALL CAPS in menus can be turned off using registry tweak, black and white theme is annoying at start but they've made real improvements to build speed and also .NET 4.5 is a bit faster - saw around 10-15% speed up in CPU intensive code.

Skipped VS 2010 completely.

Are you using it on W7 - you'd recommend it for generic C++/C# development on a regular dev PC?

[AtW]

VS 2012 is worth upgrading to - ALL CAPS in menus can be turned off using registry tweak, black and white theme is annoying at start but they've made real improvements to build speed and also .NET 4.5 is a bit faster - saw around 10-15% speed up in CPU intensive code.

Skipped VS 2010 completely.