Reply to: Fedora 16

[Cliphead]

CentOS for the server and Mint for the desktop. I need both for work.

[Sysman]

...not on a Unix host. As long as you have an account you can ssh into any user. Indeed the latest trend is to deny root login on a Unix host (Ubuntu and CentOS for sure). You'd have to use 'sudo' to perform administrative tasks.

OS X has come with root disabled out-of-the-box since its early days.

Non-admin uses for ssh, and I'm sure folks can think of other things. Set certificates up properly and you don't need to enter passwords all the time. Any passwords you do send are encrypted.

• copying stuff around different machines: scp, sftp, rsync, rdist
• secure tunnelling of remote displays: X11, VNC etc
• database connections

[petergriffin]

Anyone who is using SSH to connect and then using command line is pretty much by definition an administrator.

...not on a Unix host. As long as you have an account you can ssh into any user. Indeed the latest trend is to deny root login on a Unix host (Ubuntu and CentOS for sure). You'd have to use 'sudo' to perform administrative tasks.

[Spacecadet]

You are not alone in wondering why no ssh on Windows. There are third party solutions to this.

My initial theory was that MS really don't want you using the command line (good luck if you are using Server Core, then), but I also wonder if ssh means they can't enforce license restrictions on the number of connected users

MS seems to reserve command line for Power users

as for SSH, it can be installed on windows servers, MS are more concerned about desktop user licenses and anyone who is using SSH to connect and then using command line is pretty much by definition an administrator.

[doodab]

CentOS seems a fairly decent server OS plus is binary compatible with redhat which is useful. TBH I'm inclined to use solaris for server / java stuff now though I wouldn't use it as a desktop OS.

I haven't really tried linux on the desktop since ubuntu 8 or so. I tried the latest version (10?) but the biggest annoyance for me was moving the window controls to the top left. WTF is that about?

[Sysman]

openSUSE 12.1 is looking OK with KDE 4.7.

Do you like the bouncing ball that comes by default?

I keep expecting to see some lyrics to sing along to

Windows 7 on modest hardware is appallingly slow; also needs re-boots.

Unfortunately anything that uses GNOME 3 (Ubuntu I'm looking at you) wants up to date graphics too. Ubuntu claims it will go into fall back mode, but promptly doesn't.

And those wretched scrollbars... well they ain't user friendly.

[Sysman]

And then, I mean, Windows server side? Ho do you ssh into Windows?

EDIT: ... but I can see why Linux gets a bad name recently: Fedora, Ubuntu, Opensuse, flawed and bloated by default...

You are not alone in wondering why no ssh on Windows. There are third party solutions to this.

My initial theory was that MS really don't want you using the command line (good luck if you are using Server Core, then), but I also wonder if ssh means they can't enforce license restrictions on the number of connected users

[Addanc]

openSUSE 12.1 is looking OK with KDE 4.7.

Windows 7 on modest hardware is appallingly slow; also needs re-boots.

[petergriffin]

Just use Windows like everyone else.

No F way! I use other Linux distros and Netbsd for myself but I had to train for an interview and they run Crapora on both servers and clients. Eventually I settled for Centos and it works like a charm (I still wouldn't use it for myself though).

And then, I mean, Windows server side? Ho do you ssh into Windows?

EDIT: ... but I can see why Linux gets a bad name recently: Fedora, Ubuntu, Opensuse, flawed and bloated by default...

[SueEllen]

Linux is a great server OS but Windows 7 kills it on the desktop.

There are reasons some of us have more than one operating system.

And if you have a low spec hardware you can't run Windows 7 unless you like rebooting frequently.

[russell]

Linux is a great server OS but Windows 7 kills it on the desktop.

[Spacecadet]

Just use Windows like everyone else.

Can't believe it took 5 posts before someone got the correct answer, I though this was an IT Contractors forum?

[d000hg]

G'day! Why is f16 so crap? Is it because otherwise people wouldn't buy RHEL or are RH developers a bunch of m0r0ns?

Just use Windows like everyone else.

[TheFaQQer]

Linux Mint FTW!

[Sysman]

G'day! Why is f16 so crap? Is it because otherwise people wouldn't buy RHEL or are RH developers a bunch of m0r0ns?

It looks as though I had a lucky escape. I thought I'd try it but came across this sort of stuff pretty quickly: Fedora forbidden items.

Fedora Suggests: Consider using a graphics adapter from Intel or any other manufacturer that provides full specifications or source code.

Nope, not going to happen. I ain't going to buy new hardware just because some pedant has a thing about proprietary software.

Meanwhile, off we go to openSUSE 12.1.

Installs beautifully, looks nice etc.

Out of the first 3 apps I wanted to do some serious work with:

• first one has 90% of the options I want to access greyed out
• second one has a very niggling prompt asking me if I have compiled it with the spell checker? Nope - grab source, recompile with/without spell checker. Still same annoying prompt.
• third one crashes shortly after launch

Boot to Gparted CD, zap partition, install Linux Mint.